unscrupulous bosses

last SG · 2003-02-05T01:45:30+00:00

The management at Kenyon are'nt being shrewed...they are simply being dumb. The way a company treats its employees tells alot about where it's heading. It's...

BillyBong SG

~ its called 'housemanship' and entry into the medical faculty IS by itself a BOND... ~

Actually to clarify, housemanship = hands-on b4 graduation

There is actually an "internship" after graduation during which u will be placed under a "medical mentor" and learn the work prior to choosing your eventual field.

As to interviews being the "last line of defence" for employers, this is definitely true.

While paper grades go to some extent to getting ur "place in line" for an interview, the real test is when u sit in front of a panel responding to intensive questioning and scrutiny to determine if u're the best man for the job.

If a company cannot be sure of ur qualities, then they should, ethically, decline to hire u instead of raising ur false hopes with a contract. To select u means they have placed their faith in u and that should never be mis-placed.

BillyBong SG

Yes this is true.

This law to some extent has been updated. As to wat are the specifics now i cannot say. The last company i worked with only offered 10 days annual leave for the first year followed by 1 additional day after every 2 years employment to a maximum of 14 days (The company concerned cannot be named for obvious reasons)

There was no 21 day annual leave offer even after the 10 year mark.

So it's pretty clear that there are exceptions to the rule. And while it may be written in black and white, there are companies which have bent (not broken) the rules.

CX SG

Atobe,

i find that u're just nit-picking... well, everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course, but i wonder how YOU would like it if u're not offered a job commensurate with your qualifications.

what i'm essentially against is not the fact that graduates should start at the bottom (in fact, i think its only right) but that some employers are being plain arseholes in this respect.

its not about form, but intent. and this looks to me like a case of rather spastic intent.

Atobe SG

My apologies, CX, if I showed myself to be "nit picking" in my comments; as I wanted to be quite specific in understanding the problem and respond to the few issues that seemed to be mixed and cross-related; and at the same time to clear up some misconcieved notions about the employment "expectations".

You are certainly correct in that there are employers who take advantage of the present economic situation to "under-employ" a person of "certified ability" - as in the case of a Graduate who was employed to BBQ "Ba Kua".

Can you blame this "Ba Kua" Employer for employing that Graduate to perform a job such as this?

As mentioned, the job market is a Supply and Demand situation, not quite perfect.

If one is not limited to the "Singapore box", and if we have the opportunity of "Thinking Out of this Box", we could venture further a field, and break this unfavorable "Supply and Demand" situation that is weighing in favor of Employers.

Atobe SG

Thanks for your clearing up the situation, but just to confirm my understanding is correctly placed.

You indicated that "entry into the medical faculty IS by itself a BOND"; and this is quite similar to the previous post by CX too, which I had also queried.

By this statement, do you mean that entering the medical profession, and being admitted into the Medical Faculty, one is automatically "BONDED" to the profession and its ethics..?

Or do you mean that there is a "WRITTEN CONTRACTURAL BOND", as one would expect from a scholarship, to serve a period of time, to repay society for the cost of funds used under the scholarship...?

CX SG

nay... no apologies needed... i merely wanted to know what exactly your position is on this issue...

to me, its a question of what ad the individual was replying to i guess... if the ad says "general worker needed, no min. qualifications", then u'll be prepared for whatever terms they offered u no matter how mediocre (as your bak kua analogy points out). i know grads selling satay and making a good living... no problem with that...

but if they said "project engineer needed, min. grad with relevant exerience", then of course u apply with some expectations... esp if they shortlist u for interview...

its not pleasant to be offered a job to pull cable if thats not the job u applied for lor... quite insulting too... some people would rather be rejected not because they find the job demeaning, but because they feel cheated!

its like job ads who're seeking "sales executives with attractive renumeration" and u find that they're basically seeking salesmen with no basic pay but "attractive commissions" ... thats humbug.

the only way i see to break out of this "unfavourable demand-supply" paradigm, is to go into business for yourself and thats not an option for many people cos they lack the capital, the network, or the will to carry it through.

its not cos they don't want to or don't have the idea to, but the costs are too high... many grads have loans to pay off, parents to support and expectations to live up to... its not easy for them to defy the norms and walk off the beaten path...

thats probably why entrepreneurs are "oddballs" and non-grads, cos they have nothing to lose by trying new things. its sad that our society, despite all its rhetorics, is not yet mature enough to accept different models of success.

BillyBong SG

U'll have to clarify with CX...that was his statement not mine Mr. Green

I'm unclear as to the details but i think medicine entails a civil bond to serve govt hospitals and medical institutions for 8 yrs (CX feel free to step in here anytime). I'm also sure there has to be some signed "contract" somewhere to safeguard this fact for medical students.

CX SG

do i sound like a medicine student to you? Mr. Green

there's nothing u can't find on the nus faculty of medicine website if u must satisfy your morbid curiousity...

one thing's for sure though... u get to disrupt from NS very early so that u have to come back after u get your m.d and become underpaid m.o

BillyBong SG

Nah just a Mr Green to me...

btw, it ain't my morbid curiousity that was aroused Mr. Green

rudyiskandar SG

Of course, even a garbage collector has dignity and pride in his job. But what I meant was that I believe the manager employed the $900 engineer with the intent to exploit the weak economy as well as the desperation of the poor chap. Had he done such a thing in the past when the economy is good, then that would be a different story. Rolling Eyes If you want to bring up the supply and demand stuff again, I will rest my case.

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