SMRT trials MAN double-decker bus

last SG · 2014-09-28T10:05:57+00:00

Now we knew why SMRT only orders 101 Alexander Dennis Enviro 500.I guaranteed this will be a sucessful trial and probably they will order at least 150 units...

orange28 SG

Back to topic?

SG 5802H on svc 964 this morning

iveco SG

SBST used to have this kind of fleet deployment too since the 80s where there were Merc OF1413/OF1417 for 1 depot and Albion Viking/Volvo B57 for the other. The trend continued on in the early 90s with the Merc 0405s, Scania N113CRB and Volvo B10M MK2/3/4 fleets. But ever since SBST renewed their fleet to Scania K230UB and Merc Citaro, the depots now get the same common fleets.

For SMRT, it seems like they are still practicing the limited depot control for their OC500LEs and Citaros though.

But when it came to DD, almost all depots had LAs, which were superceded by VO3Xes and now Wrights.

Adding on, Guy Victories were only based at Braddell. When they retired the CRBs took their place.

Also, when Tibs had Japanese buses, both Ang Mo Kio and Kranji depots had almost similar fleets. Both sides had UDs, but Hinos were the majority at the latter.

A side note, UD no longer makes buses. If they wanna sell buses (most likely for JDM), they'd have to rebadge Volvo ones.

SBS8676Z SG

But when it came to DD, almost all depots had LAs, which were superceded by VO3Xes and now Wrights.

Adding on, Guy Victories were only based at Braddell. When they retired the CRBs took their place.

Also, when Tibs had Japanese buses, both Ang Mo Kio and Kranji depots had almost similar fleets. Both sides had UDs, but Hinos were the majority at the latter.

A side note, UD no longer makes buses. If they wanna sell buses (most likely for JDM), they'd have to rebadge Volvo ones.

I remember the 0305s were based mainly in HGDEP, whereas the LO2x when new were distributed mainly to TPDEP and JRBP.

For the Scania N113CRBs, they replaced the Leyland Victory from TPDEP as well as the Albion Vikings from BNDEP.

SBS8676Z SG

I take 854 everyday to and fro from work.

I think 854 has already improved a lot since last year. Based on current deployments, the WAB % is definitely being met and 854 has more DDs than Bendies these days. The DD fleet is kinda varied everyday but still most of the DDs are A95s. Also, 854 has enjoyed more high capacity fleet deployments in recent times, most of them are DD. The old NWAB bendies that remain on 854 are those that perm 854 and most of these only appear during peak periods. In time to come, when the Batch 1 O405G Habits retire, 854 will replace with the newer buses with the remaining bendies being pulled to feeder services. Hopefully the new ones will be A95 and not those B9TLs

We already know SMRT is gonna use these buses till the end of lifespan. The buses still function well and serve high capacity, WAB % for 854 is not threatened. So.. no big issue.

Actually, 854 fleet start improving only once AMDEP took in the B1 A95s from KJDEP at a later stage. Before that I still dun see much changes even when the new B2 A95s start coming in last Sept (most of the A95s keep doing 969 then).

From my observations, I still do see like 8-10 NWABs running on 854 running on weekday peak hours. Whereas at noon tend to have about 2-3 NWABs running only. At night seems only WAB running.

For weekends, there are roughly about 3 NWABs on Sat and probably 1-2 on Sundays. I remember one occasion whereby 854 had full WAB fleet on Sunday.

randomguy10 SG

From my observations, I still do see like 8-10 NWABs running on 854 running on weekday peak hours. Whereas at noon tend to have about 2-3 NWABs running only. At night seems only WAB running.

For weekends, there are roughly about 3 NWABs on Sat and probably 1-2 on Sundays. I remember one occasion whereby 854 had full WAB fleet on Sunday.

Yes, your observations tally with mine. According the SGwiki, 854 should still have 8 perm NWAB brandies and like I said most of them are probably on split shifts and thats why they mostly appear during peak hours. Ofcourse there are 1-2 spares that also get deployed. Thats why like I said, 854 is doing well at the moment, meeting WAB quota and having a substantial number of DDs. I rather have NWAB bendy than A22 or OC during peak hours because of the crowds. In time to come, SMRT will probably replace these with DDs anyway. Just have to understand that SMRT will use the old buses till end of lifespan before new buses can come in.

Formususeonly SG

I'm sorry . SMRT replacing old bus with new ones when the bus lifespan comes to an end . You joking ? Especially for 854 . I been observing 854 since 3 years ago . When 854 0405 was coming to an end I expected them to deploy the new MAN a22 buses on 854 but instead they deploy the kinda old OC500LE . New bus on 854 ? Nope ! Always a old bus that is usually 3-5 years old or more . Just look at 854 fleet history , old buses (OC500LE is about 8 years old ) + crappy deployment that doesn't change . Yes it's have been improved but not to the standard of something like 857 / 969

SBS8676Z SG

Well, 854 started to receive its perm OC500LE fleets back in 2009 when they were brand new. And I remember how 854 got them was because its perm 0405 fleets got transferred to WLDEP back then (WLDEP did not get any new fleets replacing the outgoing Nissan UDs). 27J 45G 48Z 49X are the ones that had been sticky to 854 since 2009/2010 era till today.

854 then continued to have several 0405s and most of them followed 854 over to WLDEP when WLDEP took over partial duties from AMDEP somewhere in 2013 (530U 578H 736T 755M). These 4 were eventually replaced by brand new A22s (1451K 1472A 1553U 1554Y 1555U).

After 854 went back full AMDEP controlled in 2015, AMDEP side continued to deploy A22s together with OC500LEs. It was when AMDEP decided to give 171/851 full A22 fleets, 854 side had all the A22s removed and replaced with ex-171/851 OC500LEs. Kinda lousy move...

Next thing is AMDEP took in first batch of E500 DDs. Even though 854 received a small number of them, I noticed that 857 keep snatching away most of the AMDEP DDs back then, leaving 854 still left with several old bendies despite being made WAB by then. And I still remember 854 still had such thing like 3-4 (or even more) consecutive NWABs even during off peak. This really made me pissed off and I did made several feedbacks to SMRT despite no improvements made then.

854 initially did not improve much too when AMDEP took in brand new B2 A95s last Sept, as most of these new A95s keep going to 969 instead. Only some time later when AMDEP took in B1 A95s from KJDEP, then I started to see improvements in 854 fleet. Appreciated that. I still notice NWABs running though but not too much already during off peaks. Looking forward to see them go off and replaced with B3 A95s.

Just my point of view though.

SBS8676Z SG

u sure 857 got perm bendies?

857 did not have any perm bendy before. But there used to be several random bendies doing 857 on a weekend basis, probably to cater for the Little India weekend crowd.

Think this weekend deployment is no longer practiced ever since 857 received DDs.

SMB1333T SG

Based on observations here recently regarding 854, it is doing totally fine.

Having 8 perm NWAB bendies out of 29/30 buses is acceptable - look at those WAB feeders with more than 50% nwab fleet.. And based on spottings by various people, 854 also seems to be having quite a number of DDs the past few days, at least 10 A95s spotted on Thursday

A22 vs OC, does it matter? Both are WAB buses the average commuter will not bother. Besides OC has a higher passenger capacity, so shouldnt OC be preferred over A22 actually for a service like 854?

SMB1368T SG

besides, more people move to the back on an OC bcos of the no. of seats behind. They also dont cause as much noise as the A22 which keeps braking out of nowhere and I feel that the legroom on the A22 is somehow cramped too...

Scopittabuses SG

fully agree with u. i myself prefer oc to a22. oc has less noise really.... and a22 seating is as cramp as citaro(back part)

SMB145B SG

fully agree with u. i myself prefer oc to a22. oc has less noise really.... and a22 seating is as cramp as citaro(back part)

OC > A22 > Taros

but E500 or A95 is the best, afterall loading on 854 would have increased as 25 doesn't call at bedok int.

carbikebus SG

You all really trust sgwiki?

My friends driving 854/969 says that almost half of the A95 gone missing replaced by worn down terrible O405Gs that would breakdown anytime soon.Amdep keep on pampering ex Wldep svc like 169,856,965 & 966 with those B2 A95s

SMB145B SG

You all really trust sgwiki?

169 not longer under WLBP?

SMB315C SG

169 not longer under WLBP?

AMDEP control but parking at WLBP..

SMB145B SG

AMDEP control but parking at WLBP..

a bit messy deployment. SMRT, what is going on?

carbikebus SG

a bit messy deployment. SMRT, what is going on?

Amdep too small,Only 175 buses can park.To make matter worse,Taxis,Private cars and small fleet of mini buses also park there so have to resort overnight parking at Yishun,Sembawang,Woodlands Bus Park and Loyang

TIB 585L SG

Too messy it seems

Every month certain bus will stick to one svc then one month later return to perm svc

SMB1368T SG

thats why I only edit ads on wiki cos I know thats the only thing I can trust

iveco SG

Smaller than ARBP? Thought ARBP the smallest.

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