Daimler delivers largest Asian Citaro order to date (Part 3)

last SG · 2012-08-10T21:41:36+00:00

Depends on models IMO. Like if you compare LO3xs, I guess you could say AM/BR does a better job than SLBP. But if you're saying Citaros, no doubt AMDEP is b...

iveco SG

We're using the basic 6.4L 282hp/1120nm engine thus the slow accelerate..Unless use the 12L 299hp/1250nm like the OC engine..

12l engine used in Citaro G.

sgbuses SG

citaro doors are the one that can be pushed open without electricity

also, citaro doors are the one with more problems (eg cannot close, reopening after closing, slow closing)

Citaro doors are operated by air (i.e. pneumatic).

The front door of MAN buses are operated by air too.

In fact, the only buses using full electric motors is the O405G Hispano Mk II.

sgbuses SG

Woah.. Still got how many sia

Why didnt LTA buy more A22 instead? It is so superior in every aspect, the Citaro stands worse in any way. And it isnt much cheaper than the A22 (if it even is to begin with), since SMRT also has bulk discount what.

Be careful what you wish for...

Why would you buy a E400 car and drive around Singapore with roads mostly at 60km/h speed limit?

SMB128B SG

Be careful what you wish for...

Why would you buy a E400 car and drive around Singapore with roads mostly at 60km/h speed limit?

Never had I ever complained about the A22 so ofc I'm careful with what I wish for.. Don't mix me with the idiots who would actually have the audacity to call the A22 a bad bus..

Also, why not? In the first place I dont even agree with the 60kmh limit. But even if so. Try riding an A22 and a Citaro. The difference can be greatly felt.

sgbuses SG

Never had I ever complained about the A22 so ofc I'm careful with what I wish for.. Don't mix me with the idiots who would actually have the audacity to call the A22 a bad bus..

Also, why not? In the first place I dont even agree with the 60kmh limit. But even if so. Try riding an A22 and a Citaro. The difference can be greatly felt.

It really comes down to maintenance. Even an A22 will exhibit similar characteristics if maintenance is neglected.

The A22's proposed third door design, if adopted, is going to LTA and operators endless headaches, woes and nightmares. Think about the time taken for the platform to extend and retract alone.

SMB128B SG

It really comes down to maintenance. Even an A22 will exhibit similar characteristics if maintenance is neglected.

The A22's proposed third door design, if adopted, is going to LTA and operators endless headaches, woes and nightmares. Think about the time taken for the platform to extend and retract alone.

Well the truth is the A22 does feel miles better than Citaro.. So it could only be due to Citaro being a lousy make or SBST doing a shit job at maintenance.

The third door design is going to be a blessing I believe, esp for commuters. Also, how long will the platform take to move? It could move simultantiously as the doors move too, something like the platform screen and train doors opening together. Non-issue here.

carbikebus SG

Well the truth is the A22 does feel miles better than Citaro.. So it could only be due to Citaro being a lousy make or SBST doing a shit job at maintenance.

I would prefer 12.3m A22 with third door..At least wont be so obiang

Formususeonly SG

Talking about Mercedes-Benz, has anyone saw the new SBS recovery truck that SBS brought ? It's a Mercedes-Benz Actros truck - Not scania / volvo but Benz . Has anyone saw it ? I saw it a few months ago on Facebook feed . Wonder where it's based at ( depot)

carbikebus SG

Yea and they kapo the Citaro rim cap also

sgbuses SG

So how can you be 100% sure passengers have already stepped off the platform completely before it retracts so that an accident does not happen?

To move both simultaneously is obviously asking for trouble.

carbikebus SG

Well the truth is the A22 does feel miles better than Citaro.. So it could only be due to Citaro being a lousy make or SBST doing a shit job at maintenance.

Becareful what you wish for..The lobbyist is watching.

smb91y SG

Woah.. Still got how many sia

To LTA, it's not about how great the bus is, it's cost. As good as the A22 is, it's also damn expensive too. So what if the Citaro isn't much cheaper, LTA wants to buy SBS-spec buses, which is Citaro. And they spent on 122 A95s.

carbikebus SG

If they buy in a large scale,Cost shouldn't be a big problem as the manufacturer will simply give discounts for spare part also...The contract with EvoBus also expired already so no more Citaro Euro 5 orders.Dont forget the three doors A22 in future and i hope LTA consider 12.2m chassis instead..Third door a single sliding type is just enough.

carbikebus SG

Also Citaro is known for their problematic and sensitive engine especially those heavily restricted 1st/2nd gear SBS Plate ones..

SMB128B SG

You're not making any sense here. Tell me why would the LTA SPECIFICALLY want to buy SBST buses? What is so outstanding bout SBST design (none btw) that makes LTA so craving for it?

SMB128B SG

Yes. Thats why I said the A22 would not have cost any much different from Citaro.. In fact I'm convinced if LTA bulked A22 instead of the citaro they would be much cheaper than Citaro, more than the citaro is cheaper than the A22 now.. Thats coz 1. Gemilang OBVIOUSLY charges lower than Evobus, and 2. Buses are assembled out of Asia and shipping costs will obv be higher. Its not just a game of which bus gets bulk purchase yknow. Its proven that the A22 will be cheaper than the Citaro.

SMB128B SG

So how can you be 100% sure passengers have already stepped off the platform completely before it retracts so that an accident does not happen?

To move both simultaneously is obviously asking for trouble.

Have you not heard of sth called a pressure plate?

carbikebus SG

You're not making any sense here. Tell me why would the LTA SPECIFICALLY want to buy SBST buses? What is so outstanding bout SBST design (none btw) that makes LTA so craving for it?

Maybe save cost?They are known to buy the most basic thing mah

sgbuses SG

Have you not heard of sth called a pressure plate?

Fail-safe design?

SMB128B SG

Maybe save cost?They are known to buy the most basic thing mah

Ya ofc, coz SBS-spec no PIS and uses the shitty doors mah, if they want save cost might as well buy PRC.. Can move can alr wat! Since somebody Here so love to say that the only thing we should discuss here are "what commuters would notice"..

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