GCM New/Transferred Buses

last SG · 2015-11-14T12:43:12+00:00

I'm not surprised if Scania Citywide Double Decker will be introduced to Singapore in 2016.if that day comes I will celebrate in style.

SMB128B SG

That is part of the swing door mechanism - otherwise the door is going to dislodge!

Installation of PIS is a simple retrofit process. In fact, SBS Transit is making LTA's job easier by not installing a prior system that has to be either integrated into (which incur additional costs) or removed later on (wastage).

To clarify:

NO, not asking for its removal. E500 has a straight one, A95 has a curved one – both of which are more friendly for step-free entrance.

But you see, there aren't even at least a space reserved for potential PIS; meaning there are not even the intention to install one?

sgbuses SG

To clarify:

NO, not asking for its removal. E500 has a straight one, A95 has a curved one – both of which are more friendly for step-free entrance.

That's the plug sliding door design. SBS Transit's B9TLs and Citaros use outward swing door design. The former is a newer design and costs much more to install.

sgbuses SG

It's not that hard, is it?

SMB128B SG

That's the plug sliding door design. SBS Transit's B9TLs and Citaros use outward swing door design. The former is a newer design and costs much more to install.

I don't think you get it.

Notice how the trident has straight door bars at the front. And yes, it is step free.

Regarding the swing door, I've already shown the benefits of the newer design. I feel these benefits are justifiable for the costs.

SMB128B SG

It's not that hard, is it?

Hopefully the B9 gets those. A blessing LTA takes over bus ops or SBST and its rigid bunch would continue its ways.

sgbuses SG

I don't think you get it.

Notice how the trident has straight door bars at the front. And yes, it is step free.

Regarding the swing door, I've already shown the benefits of the newer design. I feel these benefits are justifiable for the costs.

That's worse. You could unscrew the curved doors bars and screw in a new set of straight ones. It doesn't cost more than a few hundred dollars. SMRT Buses has done that before. Why would you condemn an entire chassis over cosmetic designs?

Even if they are straight, people are not supposed to go near it anyway (Australia designates them as no-standing zones, refer to photo above).

sgbuses SG

Hopefully the B9 gets those. A blessing LTA takes over bus ops or SBST and its rigid bunch would continue its ways.

Keep a lookout for the upcoming LTA concept buses.

SMB128B SG

That's worse. You could unscrew the curved doors bars and screw in a new set of straight ones. It doesn't cost more than a few hundred dollars. Why would you condemn an entire chassis over cosmetic designs?

Even if they are straight, people are not supposed to go near it anyway (Australia designates them as no-standing zones, refer to photo above).

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I don't think you are getting the entire post alr

My point being, the problem with the B9s lie with the fact SBST poorly designed the interior, which yes may be changed but are we seeing them? I don't think LTA would bother to change at all. If that's the case save it la, the B9s themselves aren't very much better off compared to SMRT's DD models anyway, even if they are. And doesn't the E500s and A95s cost cheaper than B9s? If your problem is with the cost then what is your issue with the SMRT models?

I never ever said the people are supposed to go near... You see, the straight bars are easier for passengers, especially the elderly to grip on instead of the horribly steep slant bars on the B9 and KUB.

SMB128B SG

Keep a lookout for the upcoming LTA concept buses.

Those concept buses are for GCM?

sgbuses SG

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I don't think you are getting the entire post alr

Then why would LTA call for the concept bus tender? LTA is interested in determining what is most suitable for future procurements, down to the smallest detail.

If LTA is forced to choose between bus products on an all-or-nothing basis, then I really worry how much our bus fares is going to increase in the future. Because in such a scenario, the implication is that LTA has no bargaining power to negotiate a better price or/and design from the bus manufacturers.

sgbuses SG

This will be valuable when deciding on future bus purchases, LTA said.

Those concept buses are for GCM?

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/designing-a-better-ride-on-public-buses

""LTA is studying what enhancements in design and features could be incorporated for future bus purchases and are best suited to operations in Singapore," a spokesman said.

The concept models must have passenger seats, driver's cabin, handrails and other interior and exterior fittings, according to the tender documents.

A workable door system, interior lighting and air-conditioning will also have to be installed.

The tender, which closes next month, requires companies to consider factors such as comfort, safety and carrying capacity during peak hours."

SMB128B SG

Then why would LTA call for the concept bus tender? LTA is interested in determining what is most suitable for future procurements, down to the smallest detail.

I'm just worried that LTA will be very stingy...

Hopefully LTA will not walk in SBST's footsteps in the concept bus. Coz SBST's design and amenities really lose out to SMRT by miles. And hopefully there won't only be Volvo buses for LTA's concept make.

sgbuses SG

I'm just worried that LTA will be very stingy...

SBS Transit has a different design philosophy from SMRT Buses. There was an ST Jobs article that discussed about this from their engineer's perspective, but I can't locate it anymore.

SBS351M SG

B9TL is definately underpowered compared to E500 needless to say A95.I got a strong feeling LTA is deciding between E500 and A95 for SMRT.

Further to sgbuses' posts, it has to be noted that we should stop seeing things with separate views of SBS and SMRT. The situation has changed, it is just LTA buying buses, while operators run those buses. LTA is free to choose whatever that suits their requirements, though I think they will be taking in feedback about buses from the current operators as LTA themselves are new to buying buses.

carbikebus SG

Speaking about concept,Swiss autopos custom order ADL E500 with dual staircase three doors for trial..

SG5001C SG

This article is worth a read. Extremely relevant to the thread topic, and answers many questions.

lemon1974 SG

I'm just worried that LTA will be very stingy...

if LTA stingy, then u will see MIC buses.... haha

lemon1974 SG

any one can do the maths?

SBST order 415 B9 and 250 Citaro in July 2014... 296 of these are for BSEP 2.

so left 369 units for SBST own use... 23 B9 registered.. left 346 units (which LTA is taking over).. but the figure does not tally up, cos there are some citaros registered under SBST already.... (unless that 28 units from 6866-6893) are from an earlier order..

346 + 23 + 28 = 397 units...

Gus.chong SG

any one can do the maths?

SBST order 415 B9 and 250 Citaro in July 2014... 296 of these are for BSEP 2.

346 + 23 + 28 = 397 units...

Instead of trying to do the maths for buses allocated to respective schemes, why not try to do the maths for the respective models already registered? I highly doubt that the figure allocated to BSEP still remains as 296 given that no one had expected new buses to be registered as SG regos...

If I consider the new SG rego buses to be funded (and therefore owned) by LTA before they announced the buyover, 92 Wrights and 77 Citaros (including 6546-6549, after all there are only 100 left to be delivered, it does not make sense to me that 6846-6865 are Batch 2, because they made up a total of 125 buses if under Batch 3) had been registered under LTA ownership. There will be 127 left for the original BSEP 2, and given that 240 out of the 665 have been registered, the remaining order uncompleted would have been 298. But do not forget some buses had already been delivered but not yet registered, because so many regoless Citaros are inside C&C recently.

Furthermore, the 346 buses undelivered were due for completion in 2017 which may have included BSEP in my opinion because they are all from a single order.

jurongresident SG

Bulim package will use 367 buses.

188 Double Decker buses and 179 Single Decker buses.

In the beginning, they say the Bulim package will start with around 380 buses. In reality, it will start with 367.

They say the Loyang package will start with around 400 buses. I think in reality, it will start with around 390.

In total, around 757 buses (367 + 390) will be used in GCM this year.

The easiest way is to take all the government-funded BSEP buses and deploy them on GCM bus routes.

The other bus routes using government-funded BSEP buses can use other buses. Some of them that are WAB may have to temporarily revert to non-WAB.

So far, how many government-funded BSEP buses are there ah?

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