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11-4 pax from Lor 1,Stadium 3 alight then 1 last Stadium stop 7 pax,Sims before terminal 1 boarding all the way to Lor 1Ooh la la...

Sbs6750E SG

Sv 11 can get 40+ pax to Stadium from Tanjong Rhu. Good number of pax board at Pebble Bay.
When: every Saturday, 11:40 am from Pebble Bay, Tg Rhu Rd.
Bus: SBS6839J, 1A/4P.

By the way how is 825 loading?

proudtobeme SG

Don't expect high loading on 42 pls. It will be seated loading. Opera Estate will be like Serangoon Gardens, a lot of terrace houses.

You will notice much higher loading at Lengkong 3/4 due to HDBs & condo. That side will have standees.

Also note, 42 has very erratic frequency. It can range from 7-20 mins. I suggest you check the timetable for departures from Kembangan Stn. If less than 10 mins between buses, surely very poor loading. If 15-20 mins interval, you will definitely get better loading. Dont' worry, timetable is very accurate for such a short route like 42.

1845 & 1855 hrs departure from Kembangan Stn is quite packed.

For 40 you will see similar loading patterns to 32, maybe higher loading because it is more frequent.

Cheers

Loading on sv 42 @ 18.20 hours from Kembangan Station

Kembangan Station -- 25

Lengkong Tiga -- 25 (0/0), 16 (-11/2)

Lengkong Empat -- 13 (-8/5), 11 (-5/3)

Jalan Selamat -- 12 (-2/3)

Taman Kembangan -- 14 (0/2)

Kembangan Station -- 21 (-2/19)

Sims Ave East -- 21 (-2/2)

Fidelio St -- 19 (-2/0), 17 (-2/0), 16 (-1/0), 16 (0/0), 16 (0/0), 16 (0/0)

Siglap Dr -- 7 (-12/3), 7 (-2/2)

Frankel Ave -- 6 (-1/0), 7 (0/1), 7 (0/0)

Kembangan Station (-7)

high point to kmbgn north = 25 peop (to), 14 (back)

high point to frankel/fidelio = 21 peop (to), 7 (back)

frankel got only 1 peop board to kembangan. you r right most loading is for flamingo valley condo. but i dun know y u ask serv to frankel when got no loading. opp side bus stop also for 32 got no peop waiting. and this is during 630pm peak hour.

proudtobeme SG

this first time i do both board/alight count on every stop because loading so little easy to count. i am improving in my loading update i feel.

TIB 585L SG

Wait this was just now izit? Just now 6.30pm not peak hour leh. Saturday only have AM peak no PM peak

SBS6465E SG

Loading on sv 42 @ 18.20 hours from Kembangan Station

Kembangan Station -- 25

Lengkong Tiga -- 25 (0/0), 16 (-11/2)

Lengkong Empat -- 13 (-8/5), 11 (-5/3)

Jalan Selamat -- 12 (-2/3)

Taman Kembangan -- 14 (0/2)

Kembangan Station -- 21 (-2/19)

Sims Ave East -- 21 (-2/2)

Fidelio St -- 19 (-2/0), 17 (-2/0), 16 (-1/0), 16 (0/0), 16 (0/0), 16 (0/0)

Siglap Dr -- 7 (-12/3), 7 (-2/2)

Frankel Ave -- 6 (-1/0), 7 (0/1), 7 (0/0)

Kembangan Station (-7)

high point to kmbgn north = 25 peop (to), 14 (back)

high point to frankel/fidelio = 21 peop (to), 7 (back)

You did Friday or Saturday? I am assumign you did it on Friday because Saturday's demand patterns are not very fixed.

Yea, because Frankel is mostly residential. So the main demand in the evening is from Kembangan MRT by commuters who want to go home. But, who wants to go in one big round inside Fidelio St on 42? Most people will walk or cycle from Kembangan MRT or take taxi.

Btw, the Siglap Dr bus stop is inside Frankel Estate. So, Siglap Dr and Frankel Av I would consider the same area. There is also usually no demand from the last 2 Frankel Av bus stops because it is so close to Kembangan MRT. So most demand from Frankel is captured via Siglap Dr.

Also, Flamingo Valley is along Siglap Rd not Siglap Dr, which is not included on your updates. If so, you missed one bus stop.

You saw nobody on 32 side because it is not needed at that time. It only goes to Katong and to the City and does not connect with Kembangan MRT.

You have to take 42 in the morning to compare. You will see that there is more demand going to Kembangan MRT from Siglap Dr/Frankel Av. Then in the evening, you will notice there is much less going back from Kembangan MRT because 42 is so long-winded.

I will do an evening and morning loading schedule on Monday for you to see the diff.

proudtobeme SG

Wait this was just now izit? Just now 6.30pm not peak hour leh. Saturday only have AM peak no PM peak

no was friday

proudtobeme SG

You did Friday or Saturday? I am assumign you did it on Friday because Saturday's demand patterns are not very fixed.

Also, Flamingo Valley is along Siglap Rd not Siglap Dr, which is not included on your updates. If so, you missed one bus stop.

You saw nobody on 32 side because it is not needed at that time. It only goes to Katong and to the City and does not connect with Kembangan MRT.

I will do an evening and morning loading schedule on Monday for you to see the diff.

i did on friday evening not saturday.

proudtobeme SG

You did Friday or Saturday? I am assumign you did it on Friday because Saturday's demand patterns are not very fixed.

Also, Flamingo Valley is along Siglap Rd not Siglap Dr, which is not included on your updates. If so, you missed one bus stop.

You saw nobody on 32 side because it is not needed at that time. It only goes to Katong and to the City and does not connect with Kembangan MRT.

I will do an evening and morning loading schedule on Monday for you to see the diff.

ok my mistake. i noted flamingo valey stop where 12 peop got down but wrote siglap dr and not siglap rd. i just post what i observe. my only point if loading so bad no need more service.

even 225 to bdk nth st 3 is residential but return journey got 20 peop even if frequency is 4 min per bus. same for 291/292/293 got 20-30 peop on return journey from residential estate. 42 got only 12 and 7 peop that show no need for extra service. bsep kind so gave one bus to improve freq. bus come every 12-14 min now compare to 18-20 min before.

SBS6465E SG

ok my mistake. i noted flamingo valey stop where 12 peop got down but wrote siglap dr and not siglap rd. i just post what i observe. my only point if loading so bad no need more service.

Loading is very bad in part also because 42 goes in and out of Fidelio St, you should have observed this when you took the bus, that going from Siglap Dr to Kembangan MRT is MUCH shorter than coming from Kembangan. And I have never said that Flamingo Valley is where most loading comes from. I said that for 40, go read my previous posts. In fact, it is unusual that Flamingo Valley got most of the loading, because most people prefer the more direct 40 from Bedok Int.

BUT, if you have read my postings, you wouldn't be talking over my head about loadings. I have never argued for a new service because 42 is facing capacity issues. That will NEVER happen. I am focused on CONNECTIVITY. In this case, providing a reliable form of link TO & FROM Kembangan MRT. For most residents, 42 only provides a one-way connection TO Kembangan MRT. Even though commuters can take the bus FROM Kembangan MRT all the way to Siglap Dr/Frankel Av, I don't know if you would've noticed that it is an EXTREMELY LONG-WINDED WAY of doing so. Maybe you were TOO FOCUSED on loadings. I will demonstrate this by showing that demand TO Kembangan MRT from Fidelio/Frankel is always HIGHER than demand FROM Kembanagan MRT to Fidelio/Frankel, by recording the loadings for both sectors on Monday.

Go que for taxis at Kembangan MRT, you will find that most residents are taking taxis to Siglap/Frankel estates.

The best is if 42 can ply Frankel Av on both sides, then go up Siglap Dr > Siglap Rd> Fidelio St, and then loop back. But this cannot be done because Siglap Dr is one-way. So, you cannot amend 42, period.

Nobody in this forum will understand this unless you live here.

Cheers

sgxiaobusguy SG

Go que for taxis at Kembangan MRT, you will find that most residents are taking taxis to Siglap/Frankel estates.

Nobody in this forum will understand this unless you live here.

Cheers

Hi Mr. SBS6465E,

Understand your frustration with the lack of bus services in Frankel area as I often frequent there too. However I often head to the end nearer to east coast road where it's still walkable to more services such as 10,12 etc. However, I feel that it's pretty difficult to plan routes serving the entire Frankel estate (other than tweaking bus 42, which is hard due to the fact that many more inaccessible areas will be affected). I feel that it's probably due to the assumption that people staying along Frankel will commute via car/taxi as the pathetic frequency of 32 (could wait up to 25mins if suay) can frustrate people hugely.

Also, proposing an alternative route (say from Eunos) will not be really viable either since you'll only get the link FROM kembangan and not TO kembangan from frankel.

I guess the only way to get about the poor transport links about the estate would be to appeal for an improved frequency for 32 (say during peak timings), I believe for 40 as well, in order to cater to the needs for commuters who still ply via public transport. Just sharing my two cents worth. Cheers!

SBS8002T SG

I boarded 258 from Joo Koon to Boon Lay Int, SBS3487K, boarding time 2:06pm

I observed that the Joo Koon - Pioneer stretch have low loading as expected, but during the evening peak the lower deck is packed due to the high loading at Jurong Camp bus stop (where 192 and 258 gets decent loading towards Pioneer MRT)

There was less than 10 people during the JK - Pioneer MRT stretch with 1 person alighting at Pioneer but nobody boarded the bus.

From Gek Poh Shopping Centre to Boon Lay Int, the upper deck have about 10-15 people, and the lower deck have 19 people at Boon Lay Int, which all of them alighted (including the 10-15 on the upper deck, which means about 30 people alighted at Boon Lay).

From my observation, 258 loading from Gek Poh to Boon Lay is dependent on which bus comes first: 181, 243W or 258 as I spotted SBS3T on 181 at the junction before the Blk 762 bus stop while I was on 3487K. In the case where 181 came first, 258 would not have much loading towards Boon Lay as most likely it would just pick up any passanger that missed the previous bus.

BusAnalayzer SG

I boarded 258 from Joo Koon to Boon Lay Int, SBS3487K, boarding time 2:06pm

There was less than 10 people during the JK - Pioneer MRT stretch with 1 person alighting at Pioneer but nobody boarded the bus.

Demand on 258 has been lower than expected. The St 81/82 - Boon Lay loading depends very much on whether 243 has called the stop or not. Given 243 has peak frequency of 03-04 mins, it is likely that there will always be a 243 in front of a 258.

The Pioneer MRT - st 81/82 loading has failed to pick up. Most loading still comes from Joo Koon only during industrial hours to Jurong West Town.

Typical loading during PM

Joo Koon - 30 pax

Joon Koon / Pioneer MRT - 45 pax (peak)

Pioneer MRT - 45/50 pax (only 15-20 pax board here)

Rest depends on 243 arrival time.

carbikebus SG

From my observation svc 190 can reduce 3 single deck duties.No need 42 buses since 972 already full fleet DDs.700 can reduce 1 split duty too.DTL obviously steal some of its passengers.972 also no need 28 buses.

SBS8002T SG

The Pioneer MRT - st 81/82 loading has failed to pick up. Most loading still comes from Joo Koon only during industrial hours to Jurong West Town.

Typical loading during PM

Joo Koon - 30 pax

Joon Koon / Pioneer MRT - 45 pax (peak)

Pioneer MRT - 45/50 pax (only 15-20 pax board here)

Rest depends on 243 arrival time.

Personally, I also felt that 258's loading is quite disappointing as I thought 258 will take off some loading from 243 where commuters board from Pioneer to St 81 instead of from Boon Lay to St 81.

I feel that 258 can downgrade the DDs to a full SD fleet while adding 1-2 SDs to boost frequency as 258 loading from St 81 to Boon Lay is dependent on whether there is a 243 (or 181 starting from Gek Poh) in front of it.

Though 258 have decent loading during PM peak for the Joo Koon - Pioneer MRT stretch as the Jurong Camp bus stop have quite good loading, but it also depends if 192 or 258 comes first as both ply the same route to Pioneer.

Usually, the bottom deck is packed but the upper deck is not well utilised as most people alight at Pioneer MRT.

I have also observed that 192 gets more loading at Jurong Camp bus stop compared to 258 as 192 takes the "direct" route to Boon Lay Interchange for passangers transferring to the other buses at the interchange.

lemon1974 SG

Personally, I also felt that 258's loading is quite disappointing as I thought 258 will take off some loading from 243 where commuters board from Pioneer to St 81 instead of from Boon Lay to St 81.

Usually, the bottom deck is packed but the upper deck is not well utilised as most people alight at Pioneer MRT.

seem like ppl are having expectation that every new service will be very popular and will have good ridership.....

basically 258 act as a supplementary service....so demand will definitely fluctuate...

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading on sv 386 @ 18.17, earlier bus left @ 18.08

Punggol Interchange -- 42 (0/42)

Punggol Central -- 46 (0/4), 45 (-4/3)

Edgefield Plains -- 45 (-2/2) surprised to see 2 people board here, 06 (-45/6) absolutely no one from before this stop going further. All 6 are new pax who boarded

Punggol Dr -- 07 (0/1)

Edgedale Plains -- 07 (0/0), 07 (0/0)

Punggol Field -- 10 (-7/10) again everyone alighted here and 10 new pax boarded

Punggol East -- 12 (0/2)

Punggol Central -- 12 (0/0)

Edgedale Plains -- 09 (-3/0)

Punggol Dr -- 08 (-1/0)

Edgefield Plains -- 08 (-8/8) very interesting observation. again all 8 pax on bus alighted and 8 new pax boarded, 8 (0/0)

Punggol Central -- 12 (0/4), 12 (0/0) stop before interchange.

** can have 825 style mini bus for Edgefield Plains <> Punggol Field for Punggol Plaza. It is two distinct routes

** Healthy loading of 45 pax at single stop at Edgefield Plains end. Still many flats look empty.

** peak loading = 46 pax.

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading on sv 83 @ 18.54

Punggol Interchange -- 63 (0/63)

Punggol Central -- 68 (0/5), 46 (-24/2), 34 (-14/2), 14 (-23/3)

Punggol East -- 12 (-4/2)

Punggol Field -- 08 (-7/3), 11 (0/3), 14 (-2/5)

Punggol Road -- 13 (-6/5), 14 (-9/10)

Compassalve St -- 17 (0/3), 12 (-5/0)

Sengkang East Rd -- 11 (-4/3), 04 (-7/0) I alighted here.

* Surprised to see such poor loading between Punggol and Sengkang towns

* Loading mainly for 83 comes for 3 stops along Punggol Central like a feeder bus

* Opposite direction spotted 2 buses towards Punggol both empty. One at Compassalve St had less than 20 pax on board also.

Sbs6750E SG

Loading on sv 83 @ 18.54

Punggol Interchange -- 63 (0/63)

Punggol Central -- 68 (0/5), 46 (-24/2), 34 (-14/2), 14 (-23/3)

Punggol East -- 12 (-4/2)

Punggol Field -- 08 (-7/3), 11 (0/3), 14 (-2/5)

Punggol Road -- 13 (-6/5), 14 (-9/10)

Compassalve St -- 17 (0/3), 12 (-5/0)

Sengkang East Rd -- 11 (-4/3), 04 (-7/0) I alighted here.

* Surprised to see such poor loading between Punggol and Sengkang towns

* Loading mainly for 83 comes for 3 stops along Punggol Central like a feeder bus

* Opposite direction spotted 2 buses towards Punggol both empty. One at Compassalve St had less than 20 pax on board also.

If you are from Waterway Pt going to Compassvale Street Blk 291? 1. Take MRT, > 83. 2. 43/82/119 direct and walk. 3. 83 all the way. #Justcurious

Sbs6750E SG

If you are from Waterway Pt going to Compassvale Street Blk 291? 1. Take MRT, > 83. 2. 43/82/119 direct and walk. 3. 83 all the way. #Justcurious

what you prefer?

dupdup77 SG

Loading on sv 83 @ 18.54

Punggol Interchange -- 63 (0/63)

Punggol Central -- 68 (0/5), 46 (-24/2), 34 (-14/2), 14 (-23/3)

Punggol East -- 12 (-4/2)

Punggol Field -- 08 (-7/3), 11 (0/3), 14 (-2/5)

Punggol Road -- 13 (-6/5), 14 (-9/10)

Compassalve St -- 17 (0/3), 12 (-5/0)

Sengkang East Rd -- 11 (-4/3), 04 (-7/0) I alighted here.

* Surprised to see such poor loading between Punggol and Sengkang towns

* Loading mainly for 83 comes for 3 stops along Punggol Central like a feeder bus

* Opposite direction spotted 2 buses towards Punggol both empty. One at Compassalve St had less than 20 pax on board also.

Hi mr busanalyser, this is the reason why sbs 83 must start from Punggol interchange to loop at sengkang instead of reversing to start from Sengkang interchange. Finally, all should realize Sbs 83 is very crucial in serving huge sectors of residents along Punggol central. Cheers. Thanks.

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