New Bus Services Announced by LTA/PTOs

last SG · 2014-10-14T00:04:39+00:00

Loyang district includes:- Loyang Industrial Estate- Old Tampines Road- Upper Changi North (not industrial estate though)- Flora* Considering this my guess i...

array88 SG

dupdup77: Didn't you once say that M service cannot start from middle and has to start from one of the end points/terminals?? So will you accept that you were wrong when you made this statement?

But a valid question is... Where does svc 53 terminate? Don't tell me it's forever running... I suspect Hougang St 21 Terminal

TIB1112L SG

But a valid question is... Where does svc 53 terminate? Don't tell me it's forever running... I suspect Hougang St 21 Terminal

Correct

dupdup77 SG

dupdup77: Didn't you once say that M service cannot start from middle and has to start from one of the end points/terminals?? So will you accept that you were wrong when you made this statement?

Hi mr busnalayser, in the context where I was making for Sbs 43M at that time, I am right. Because you want to make SBS 43M start from serangoon interchange which is wrong. The M service will ply route similar to the parent service including its interchange. However the route you suggest for sbs 43M deviate in the sense that it copies the route but use a different interchange

For sbs 53M, it still follows a portion of the parent route 53. For your case which you suggest for sbs 43M, it is different. Cheers. Thanks.

array88 SG

For sbs 53M, it still follows a portion of the parent route 53. For your case which you suggest for sbs 43M, it is different. Cheers. Thanks.

Actually, I don't think an 'M' variant can only call at the stops of its parent route and nothing else. 70M, 107M and 162M are some examples. 63M also has one stop different from 63 at MacPherson (where 63 is turning into Merpati Rd). 143M and 43M also have some bus stops which their parent services do not ply. Maybe you will say these services still use the same interchange/terminal as their parent route. But there is 17A which starts from BNDEP, and that's not a terminal for svc 17. Although 17A is technically not an 'M' varient, I would say it's operating in the same way as the 'M' varients. Another such example is 170X which starts from Kranji Station. If 17A can do this, I don't see a reason why 43M cannot start from Serangoon Int.

array88 SG

Anyway 53M also starts from Hougang St 21 terminal which is not a part of svc 53, just that there are no loading and unloading activities there (which is a pity—there should).

BusAnalayzer SG

But a valid question is... Where does svc 53 terminate? Don't tell me it's forever running... I suspect Hougang St 21 Terminal

I think it will rest at HG st 21 Terminal... and off-peak may have only 1 bus running on 53M... and others going back to depot... not sure will have to wait and see.

BusAnalayzer SG

For sbs 53M, it still follows a portion of the parent route 53. For your case which you suggest for sbs 43M, it is different. Cheers. Thanks.

Wow. You are so stubborn. I thought at least now you will admit your mistake. That's why you have ISSUES with almost every other person in this forum.

My 43M starting from NEX to Buangkok Green is no different from this 53M starting from opp NEX to HG Ave 1. Sometimes, yes I made a mistake goes a long way to build your credibility. This is a forum of faceless people, so it is okay, but just a tip for real life :) Cheers!!

dupdup77 SG

Wow. You are so stubborn. I thought at least now you will admit your mistake. That's why you have ISSUES with almost every other person in this forum.

Hi mr busanalyser, this is not about being stubborn or what. We are not here to pamper to all other persons in this forum. Or else, no need to discuss anything here already. Everybody goes with agreeing.

Lucky I believe LTA makes the right choice in its current route for sbs 43M. Sbs 43M serves as a mini feeder for Punggol residents from interchange to nearby areas and vice versa. They need it much more due to that part of island only have sbs 43/43M. Certainly more crucial than at NEX to Buangkok green. NEX area has too many bus sercices. If there is no 43M, those residents will only have 43. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr array88, I am not sure if 17A allows boarding at BNDEP. If it allows, then you can use this logic for sbs 43M to start from serangoon interchange. If sbs 17A does not allow boarding ar BNDEP, then your logic is flawed for sbs 43M.

You use sbs 170X which starts from Kranji. This is not a bus terminal or interchange. Sbs 170 also stops at this bus stop which is same as sbs 170X. So why you say sbs 170X as an example? This is treated as a bus stop which is same as parent service (sbs 170). Nothing unusual for a service to use part of route for parent service. How does it relate to sbs 43M starting from serangoon interchange which is not part of parent service??? Very ironical. Cheers. Thanks.

TIB1112L SG

I think it will rest at HG st 21 Terminal... and off-peak may have only 1 bus running on 53M... and others going back to depot... not sure will have to wait and see.

HG St 21 correct. However theres 2AP buses and no S/E/T

Gus.chong SG

17A's first bus stop is outside of BNDEP (it enters BNDEP for termination purposes like 185 and 502/502A).

BusAnalayzer SG

I hope they don't count 53M as a new service... or even new supplementary service as it already existed as 53A/B.

I had a feeling it would do Bishan Int loop @ HG Ave 1. But now it is just renumbered.

17A also can be renumbered to 17M to be more consistent.

carbikebus SG

Since 53M operates on full day,I suspect there is 3 duties meaning 2A/P and 1 S or T or all 3A/P which 1 bus will cover during meal breaks..There should be 7-10 mins frequencies and no need for high freq either

Sbs6750E SG

Controlled by HGDEP or AMDEP?

array88 SG

If you think 43M cannot start from Serangoon Int JUST because it is not a part of its parent service, bear in mind that 70M, 107M, 162M also ply Suntec which is NOT a part of their parent service. Current 43M also calls at a stop along Upper Serangoon Road which is NOT a part of svc 43. 143M also calls at one bus stop along West Coast Rd which is NOT a part of svc 143. 53M even starts from Hougang St 21 Terminal which is NOT a part of svc 53. (Although you may argue that boarding/alighting is not allowed at Hougang St 21, there's no harm in making 43M enter Serangoon Int and do now allow boarding/alighting there as well. It's first stop can be along Serangoon Ctrl.)

I can understand you want 43M to start from Punggol because that's the only service at Soo Teck. But 43 is also one of the only 2 services at Buangkok MRT (the other service 27 does not help), and the ONLY service for the bus stop at Buangkok Drive. At least Soo Teck has LRT as an alternative, but Buangkok Dr has nothing.

I once took 43 during peak hours to see how it's loading is like. (I did not post my loading analysis as I believe Mr BusAnalyzer has taken 43/43M for many more times than me.) 20+ pax boarded at Punggol Int and around 12 alighted at Soo Teck. Then 60+ pax boarded at Buangkok MRT. 27 alighted at Buangkok Dr (which is one stop away), and most of the rest alighted at Buangkok Green. Can you still say Punggol needs 43M more? If that's the case, why didn't I see higher loading along the Punggol-Buangkok stretch?

Yes I know that NEX has many other services, but the fact that 43/43M still survives with high loading shows that 43M is (maybe the only) service preferred by Buangkok Green residents who transfer to bus at NEX. It's hard to say they need 43/43M less than Punggol residents.

array88 SG

I hope they don't count 53M as a new service... or even new supplementary service as it already existed as 53A/B.

I had a feeling it would do Bishan Int loop @ HG Ave 1. But now it is just renumbered.

17A also can be renumbered to 17M to be more consistent.

TBH I feel 53M should allow boarding/alighting at Hougang St 21 so that those waiting for svc 113 there have another alternative. Maybe in the direction towards Hougang St 21, it can use Upp Serangoon Rd to Kovan MRT so that those who want to go to Kovan MRT can also take 53M during AM peak instead of only having svc 113.

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr array88, Good point for the M series. Good analysis. Take note you have already counted sbs 53M out since it does not allow boarding/alighting at the terminal/interchange.

For the loading analysis, what we observe may exemplify a daily occurrence and can be used to represent a general view.

However, please take note that sometimes other factors are more crucial than others (including loading) when introducing a new M service. Factors like lack of linkage are very important. It does not mean that loading is more at certain sectors than others then they re-route to benefit more people. So your loading analysis does not really mean much in certain cases.

By the way, your last paragraph is inconsequential right? Currently Buangkok green residents still have Sbs 43M. So both buangkok green and Punggol residents still have SBS 43M. If you route from serangoon to buangkok green, then Punggol residents don't have Sbs 43M. So now currently this route benefit both. So why need change from serangoon to buangkok green only? Cheers. Thanks.

TIB1112L SG

Controlled by HGDEP or AMDEP?

HGDEP

Sbs6750E SG

Then can deploy 6328S 6332D 6339K good enough.

TIB1112L SG

Then can deploy 6328S 6332D 6339K good enough.

dont understand what is 2AP is it ._.

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