Capacity Upgrade/Downgrade Reporting on Bus Services

last SG · 2014-06-02T11:57:05+00:00

254/255/257 loads can easily cross 100 pax.. Why no BSEP yet or even fleet add from SBST side... Totally ignore the JIS area.

BusAnalayzer SG

300 definitely need a fleet downgrade...its still every 2 - 5 min one bus during off peak..and almost all the bendies are under-utilised... at first i thought SMB1322A was a fleet add..but come to think of it..seems this is really a downgrade...

302 defintely had at least 2 rigids upgrade (AP)...and SMRT is catching BC who dun follow schedule on this service, by asking BC to print inspector ticket at 4 locations (CCK INT, YewTee MRT, Opp Blk 666 and last stop before CCK INT)

983 confirm have 3 DDs and 1 bendy (bendy on split shift). The 3DDs are 3579M, 3580H and 3599E. Bendy recently done by 1117Z again....

983 has a perm fleet of 3 DDs, 2 SDs and one additional bus that is not perm but gets deployed on adhoc basis. It is also e-pull many times from other services looking at the long queues. Most times this bus is done by bendies, last week 1 day there were 4 DDs running on 983 (no bendy).

BusAnalayzer SG

983 confirm have 3 DDs and 1 bendy (bendy on split shift). The 3DDs are 3579M, 3580H and 3599E. Bendy recently done by 1117Z again....

On sv 300, I kind of agree with you because if you see sv 300 main loading comes from Ave 4 now. Those on ave 2 will not be in their right mind if they take sv 300 to MRT when they have a cheaper and faster option with 301. Those on ave 3 do have an option of taking 975/975A.

So basically makes more sense to beef up capacity on 983 because the HDB complex on ave 5 is huge and the one stop there gives 983 around 40-50 pax in AM. Then on ave 4, loading is shared between 983/300 depending on which one arrives first, but there is place for both.

On another note, after 300 route was truncated, it did lose 4 buses including its BSEP slot. I further see 983 getting more DDs, and 300 losing more bendies.

SBS5010P SG

if the old 300 was not amended, 300 would have gotten DDs..

300's loading has dropped quite abit

SMB42P SG

I boarded SMB1516H today..it was on 302AP06 (driven by the same pair of BC who drove 1175E last time, so i presume it was on 302AP06 this whole week), and i suspect 1510Z was on 302AP05... yesterday SMB8019E was on 302AP03...i couldnt see the description though on both occasions...

If this is the case, it means that 302 got a fleet downgrade for AP duties, but i do see a good number of bendies, is there more split shift slot now?

SMB42P SG

On another note, after 300 route was truncated, it did lose 4 buses including its BSEP slot. I further see 983 getting more DDs, and 300 losing more bendies.

exactly! 983 is just gonna get fleet add or upgrade... but then 301 dun seem to have good loadings from what i observe (i almost never see the bus full, at most its full seating)...i still will see quite a number of people taking 300 to go Ave 2...got to do with the travelling habits??

SMB42P SG

That bendy slot is epull meh? always see that bus do parking at CCK during split shift break...like today TIB1214B was spotted parking at the slot nearest to the 302 coffeeshop...seems like a perm split shift slot to me though i yet to have the chance to board it myself...

BusAnalayzer SG

As of now... the 6th bus is an e-pull that is drawn up if the queue at CCK gets too long... and is done by random buses. It may even do 302 loop if required.

BusAnalayzer SG

People prefer 983 to ave 5 than 301... but for ave 2, they def take 301... the loading on 301 is around 45-50 pax in AM peak... during PM peak the loading can be around 60-70 pax... so not really that bad.

PM the problem is the queue for 300/983 is too long... so those near Sunshine Plaza or even CCK Ave 5... might just end up boarding 301.. Hence PM loading > AM loading.

There are still quite a few people who take 300 from Ave 4 to stops around ave 1, ave 2, CCK way... though never see a bus with standees after it leaves CCK Ave 4... the 2 stops on CCK Ave 4 get sv 300 around 75-80 pax

What a huge density of people living in the blocks along ave 4/5.

BusAnalayzer SG

sgwiki shows sv 960 now to have 32 buses from 30 buses... and sv 966 to have 26 buses from 24 buses... I don't think both of this is accurate, and someone is playing mischief... please can Woodlanders verify!!

SBS7557R SG

Personally, I wouldn't trust sgwiki over their deployments provided, particularly for SMRT buses, as they are mostly verified through continuous spottings gathered by bus enthusiasts rather than official evidence provided by the operator itself, since SMRT do not paste perm stix on their buses. Even SBST is not pasting perm stix on many of their buses nowadays.

Moreover, the deployments for SMRT buses continuously change on a daily basis at a much faster rate than SBST buses, which is a weird phenomenon to me. I would prefer to think that SMRT do not employ fixed perms/fleet size for many of their services. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Especially with their A24s they have gone bonkers... Perm on 851 for a week, then change... Perm on 854 then change... Perm on 964 then change... I think only the feeder deployments on A24s are somewhat perm. Even 971E... changed perm bus from one A24 to another within 2weeks.

carbikebus SG

For 61 i would think the fleet have 33 buses,67 most probably 38 the most.190 has gone to 39 ever since 972 upgrade their fleets.960 i dont think so is 32 nor 30,most probably is 28.

61:Need one more additional DD

67:Kj need to exchange 3 SDs to DDs

167:Amdep can deploy 2 more SDs while Wldep side exchange 2 SDs to DDs

169:Kick out 3 SDs for DDs

171:Either Wldep or Amdep can try kick out 2 SDs for DDs.Need fleet add from either side.

172:Kick out 2 SDs for DDs

176:Wldep side can try kick out 2 SDs for DDs

180/184:Can try deploy 2 DDs first

187:Kick out 5 SDs for DDs

188:Kick out 2 SDs for DDs

190:Kick out 3 SDs for DDs

300:Can kick out 1 bendy for SD

307:Need 2 additional fleets

851:Can kick out 3 SDs to DDs

852:Need 2 additional buses

853 Sundays need 2 more buses

854:Can kick out 4 SDs to 2 DDs.

855:Need 2 more buses

856:Kick out 3 SDs for 2 DDs.

857:Kick out 4 SDs for 3 DDs

860:Kick out 6 SDs for 3 DDs

903:Need one more bus

911:Kick out 2 O405Gs for A24s

961:Kick out 4 SDs to DDs

962:Kick out 4 SDs to 2 DDs

965:Need one more DD

966:Can reduce 1 SD

969:Kick out 6 SDs for 4 DDs

970:Need additional bus

972:Can reduce 1 bus

975:Need 1 more bus

980:Need 2 DDs as additional

981:Need 1 more bus

985:Can kick out 2 SDs for DDs

SBS 9256 X SG

Is there someone that can follow up on Svc 850E fleet? 4 trips previously 3 DDs + 1SD. Did the fleet shrunk?

SMB42P SG

PM the problem is the queue for 300/983 is too long... so those near Sunshine Plaza or even CCK Ave 5... might just end up boarding 301.. Hence PM loading > AM loading.

What a huge density of people living in the blocks along ave 4/5.

thats true also...yes...the pax volume along Ave 4/5 is sure crazy... another part of cck crazy pax volume is at CCK Cresent...

these few days i have been taking 302 to CCK Cresent...even during AM off peak all the rigid buses also buey tahan by the time they reach opp Blk 666 stop..and bendy buses also almost full by the time they reach Blk 691..if there was really a fleet downgrade on 302, i dun know what SMRT is doing...

BusAnalayzer SG

thats true also...yes...the pax volume along Ave 4/5 is sure crazy... another part of cck crazy pax volume is at CCK Cresent...

Even 302A from Yew Tee to crescent... just a few stops... gets a full packed bus...

Yew Tee definitely should get new service to BPJ once DTL2 starts. It will be a disgrace if people have to use 302 to head to CCK and then change to LRT and then to DTL2.

Imagine living at Crescent and wanting to go to Bukit Timah, you would have to do:

302 --> NSL at Yew Tee to CCK --> LRT at CCK to BPJ --> DTL2 to Bukit Timah

AJQZC SG

Even 302A from Yew Tee to crescent... just a few stops... gets a full packed bus...

Yew Tee definitely should get new service to BPJ once DTL2 starts. It will be a disgrace if people have to use 302 to head to CCK and then change to LRT and then to DTL2.

Imagine living at Crescent and wanting to go to Bukit Timah, you would have to do:

302 --> NSL at Yew Tee to CCK --> LRT at CCK to BPJ --> DTL2 to Bukit Timah

Isn't it more feasible to have two services to BPJ instead to stagger the load? Otherwise, those living along North 5 may not be able to board the jam-packed buses at all ...

carbikebus SG

Depends on how fast BPJ ITH development is.CCK already clustering with buses so for the time being no new service will be introduce from CCK

BusAnalayzer SG

Isn't it more feasible to have two services to BPJ instead to stagger the load? Otherwise, those living along North 5 may not be able to board the jam-packed buses at all ...

Lets get 1 service to BPJ first... YT has not got a new service in light years... So even 1 direct service to BPJ is a great improvement.

BusAnalayzer SG

Depends on how fast BPJ ITH development is.CCK already clustering with buses so for the time being no new service will be introduce from CCK

BPJ Temporary bus park does have space. It is just in an odd location, where buses have to kind of loop twice if they are going to cck/hillview direction. No problem if going bke direction.

SMB315C SG

1. 960 has have got the fleet add since end-2013, aka 960AP56, 960AP57, 960AP58, whereby most duties crossover to 913 in the early weekday morning. But has not been confirmed since then because there aren't any daily 960 bus spotters to varify these additional slots.

2. 960AP59 has been scrapped, eliminating the 962A crossover and hence getting a change from TIB1142A to SMB5049M. TIB1142A has changed its crossover trip to 911E in the early weekday morning before performing its trips on 960, but under another duty slot. Hence, I will continue to keep a look out on the deployments under the respective slots especially for the Enviro500s.

3. Indeed, 966 has got another fleet add again. SMB3561M has been seen on a new BSEP slot aka 966AP93, whereby it is finally under an "Official" BSEP slot after some time under this service. I have been observing that 966AP10 has been receiving either SMB5080X or SMB5081T without fail. If I remember correctly, recently the 966 Weekdays schedule has have got this description "Add 2 Reg" since last week. But, no MAN NL323F has been observed to be "kicked out" of this service after this fleet add. I will also observe the duty slots and deployments on this service too.

4. What do you mean by
"I don't think both of this is accurate, and someone is playing mischief..."

Does that statement mean that my information is false and I am trying to play mischief?

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