Route Suggestions (Part 5)

last SG · 2013-12-18T00:11:01+00:00

Suggesting a route extension for 198.VIa Jln Bukit Merah, Cantonment road, Expressway, Fort Road, Mountbatten Road, Amber road, Marine parade road, bedok sou...

array88 SG

Some route suggestions for Tuas Connection:

Service 250 [Tuas South Ave 2/3/4/5/6/7]
Service 253 [Tuas South Ave 1/3/4/6/7/8/9/12/14]
Service 256 [Tuas South Ave 5/6/7/10/12]

Service 148 [Toa Payoh Int]
Service 149 [Pasir Panjang (Haw Par Villa MRT)]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zDOc6rCXrl9Y.k3bS-vxMoZQQ&usp=sharing

148: The Eng Neo Ave sector looks weird... 149: Maybe can combine with sv 200 and go to Buona Vista? Can connect to EWL also

Path Light SG

148: The Eng Neo Ave sector looks weird... 149: Maybe can combine with sv 200 and go to Buona Vista? Can connect to EWL also

Or Service 502 extend to Tampines Interchange

JurongWestresident SG

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AJQZC SG

Route revision to Service 66, at JE and BBT:

Rationale:

JurongWestresident SG

By now, I guess I have made my point clear, that to provide updated connections, a better way is to revamp bus networks. First start with working on a new set of Feeder bus network, then connect-the-dots with Trunk bus routes. In my opinion, I feel that this should be the way to go. Somehow, I guess that it may even enable us to use less number of buses if we do it this way instead.

array88 SG

One problem I can forsee about this kind of feeder planning is complaints about loss of links. The original plan of svc 300, 301 and 983 is kind of similar to yours (except 983 is a bit useless), but we all know what happened. If the feeders are revamped in the way that you suggested, there will be many complaints like those of CCK Ave 5 residents. Even those who don't take svc 333 usually will start complaining about loss of direct service to IMM etc.

JurongWestresident SG

that's when trunk routes come in, to provide the loss connections.

with regards to the connection to IMM, there's still 99, 990. otherwise, people staying at street 32 still can meet their shopping needs and wants at JEM, Westgate, JCube and Big Box. Soon, there will be a elevated walkway from JE MRT to IMM. so, I do not think there's much of an impact.

if there is a demand for the loss connections, we can create a new trunk bus route to provide it. again, that's when trunk bus routes come in.

some of the feeders i suggested may even reduce loadings on some trunk routes significantly. i foresee some adjustments of trunk bus routes, removal of some trunk bus routes, creation of new trunk routes, along the way if new sets of feeder routes are created.

it's now 2015. when bus plans were created, it was around 1980. three decades on, every town (the layout) is different. new towns are created. new MRT lines are up. new roads are built. travel pattens have changed. etcetera. I think it's time for an update of bus plans.

SBS7557R SG

When the North East Line (NEL) first opened on 20 June 2003, a mass rationalization exercise was conduced in three phases on 21 June, 27 July and 7 December for Services 21, 22, 53, 62, 70/70M, 81, 82, 97, 103, 106, 111, 130, 139 and 502, while Services 85, 501, 511 and 512 were axed.

While the mass rationalization exercise was deemed necessary in order to reduce the duplication of public transport services and encourage commuters to switch to the NEL, it has resulted in the loss of certain direct connections which could have well served as alternatives for commuters in the event of train service disruptions or divert the high passenger demand to.

It is agreeable that the NEL does provide certain connections from the residential towns of Serangoon, Hougang, Sengkang and Punggol more quickly in comparison to the bus services shortened or withdrawn during the rationalization. However, they could have been better tweaked to reduce duplication and serve as an alternative to the NEL.

Nevertheless, it is impossible to bring the routes back to how they were. Moreover, with an additional rail line (i.e. CCL serving Serangoon New Town), the "pre-NEL" routes would be even more redundant today. However, having some alternatives that provide travel time that equates to travelling on the NEL/CCL may be a good move.

Currently, Punggol New Town has no full day bus service that connects to the city areas, namely Orchard, Chinatown, Shenton Way, Bugis and Marina Centre, while Sengkang New Town only has Service 80, which has to go through the eastern parts of Singapore before serving the city regions. Thus, most commuters can only rely on the NEL to get to town (excluding peak hours w/ City Direct 654/Premiums 550, 569) As such, greater focus will be placed on the connections for Sengkang and Punggol New Towns in the route suggestions below.

It is understandable that the Sengkang & Punggol Ints are running low on space to accommodate more bus services. Nevertheless, the route suggestions below will take a hypothesis that the bus interchanges still have some space for new bus services.

Route 146: Punggol Temp Int - HarbourFront Int

Slightly mirroring the old sv85 between Orchard & HarbourFront but with a faster route from Punggol/Sengkang/Buangkok via the CTE.

Direction 1

Punggol Temp Int, (Punggol Pl), Punggol Central, Punggol Rd, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Rd, Buangkok Green, Yio Chu Kang Rd, (CTE), Bt Timah Rd, Sungei Rd, Bencoolen St, Middle Rd, (Prinsep St, Bras Basah Rd), Bencoolen St, Orchard Rd, Penang Rd, Somerset Rd, Grange Rd, Orchard Blvd, Paterson Rd, (Paterson Hill), Irwell Bank Rd, Kim Seng Rd, Outram Rd, Tiong Bahru Rd, Lower Delta Rd, Kg Bahru Rd, Telok Blangah Rd, (Seah Im Rd), HarbourFront Int.

Direction 2

HarbourFront Int, (Seah Im Rd), Telok Blangah Rd, Kg Bahru Rd, Lower Delta Rd, Tiong Bahru Rd, Zion Rd, Hoot Kiam Rd, (Paterson Hill), Paterson Rd, Orchard Rd, Prinsep St, Selegie Rd, Bt Timah Rd, (CTE), Yio Chu Kang Rd, Buangkok Green, Sengkang East Rd, Sengkang East Way, Punggol Rd, Punggol Central, (Punggol Pl), Punggol Temp Int.

Route 148: Sengkang Temp Int - Shenton Way Ter

Slightly mirroring the old sv82 between Serangoon/Bendemeer Rd & Shenton Way Ter with an extended loop via Marina Centre & Bayfront but a faster route from Sengkang/Hougang via the CTE.

Direction 1

Sengkang Int, (Sengkang Square), Compassvale Rd, Compassvale St, Rivervale Dr, (Sengkang East Ave), Upp Serangoon Rd, Hougang Ave 10, Hougang Ave 2, Ang Mo Kio Ave 3, (CTE), Jln Toa Payoh, Bendemeer Rd, Lavender St, Crawford St, Beach Rd, (Bras Basah Rd, Raffles Blvd), Temasek Blvd, Temasek Ave, Bayfront Ave, Central Blvd, Shenton Way, Palmer Rd.

Direction 2

Palmer Rd, (Shenton Way, Keppel Rd), Anson Rd, Robinson Rd, Marina Blvd, Bayfront Ave, Raffles Ave, (Stamford Rd), Beach Rd, Crawford St, Lavender St, Serangoon Rd, Jln Toa Payoh, (CTE), Ang Mo Kio Ave 3, Hougang Ave 2, Hougang Ave 10, Upp Serangoon Rd, (Sengkang East Ave), Rivervale Dr, Compassvale St, Compassvale Rd, (Sengkang Square), Sengkang Int.

Will add in more suggestions in time to come. Comments are welcome.

JurongWestresident SG

With regards to the NEL bus rationalisation, as to why some connections were lost, apart from some of them already served by NEL, I think the other reason is because back then, bus routes were designed for profits, thus less demanded connections may have been removed.

What I am suggesting is more on optimising resources, because space is limited and I do not think we can forever have more buses on the roads. I believe if we update bus networks, we may not need so many buses on the roads. especially with more and more MRT stations coming along, I think the more we should update the bus networks to take advantage of them. not say take advantage la, but, to optimise resources.

Lakeside MRT and Taman Jurong I can understand why. last time 98 keep having more and more buses, before 49 came in. 240 also quite packed. reason is quite simple: many people do not like to keep climbing stairs. which is why I said (but -deleted- that reply soon after) that if there were a bus route from JE to TJ via CG, bus routes like 98 and 49 may experience fall in loading. because people will prefer this new route as they can take it directly from CG mrt, and directly to JE mrt.

really, I am really glad I chance upon the driving feature on google maps. it has really helped me a lot in creating new routes to suggest. you should try it to. i did not accept all the routes it generated la, but at least it has helped me come out with better route suggestions then if i were to just "trial-and-error".

array88 SG

Service 102: Hougang Central - Punggol (via Seletar Airport)

Hougang Ctrl Int

Hougang Ctrl

Upp Serangoon Rd

Upp Serangoon Cres (Upp Serangoon View in opposite direction)

Upp Serangoon Rd

Buangkok Dr (New bus stops)

Sengkang Ctrl (Buangkok MRT)

Compassvale Dr

Compassvale Rd

Sengkang East Way (Sengkang MRT)

Sengkang West Way

Fernvale Rd (Fernvale LRT) (New bus stop)

Sengkang West Ave

Sengkang West Rd (New bus stops)

Seletar Aerospace Way (New bus stop)

Oxford St

West Camp Rd

Seletar West Link (New bus stops)

Seletar North Link (New bus stops)

Punggol Way (Nibong and Sumang LRT) (New bus stops)

Punggol Ctrl

Punggol Pl

Punggol Temp Int

- Replace svc 324 (which has disastrous loading anyway); if demand grows, can introduce 102M to ply existing route of 324, so that those along Upp Serangoon Cres/View don't have to walk so much

- Connect Buangkok Dr (which has no service today) to Buangkok MRT, and better utilise Buangkok MRT at the same time

- Connect Sengkang West Way (which only has the terrible svc 85) to Sengkang MRT and Seletar Mall

- Connect Seletar Aerospace Park to Sengkang and Punggol MRT stations (the nearest MRT stations)

- Provide a trunk service for Nibong and Sumang LRT (which has no service today) and flats there under construction

- The sector between Seletar Airport and Punggol seems windy and redundant, so may consider looping at West Camp Rd instead

- If implemented, expect loading on svc 85 to drop even further

dupdup77 SG

Service 102: Hougang Central - Punggol (via Seletar Airport)

Hougang Ctrl Int

Hougang Ctrl

Upp Serangoon Rd

Upp Serangoon Cres (Upp Serangoon View in opposite direction)

Upp Serangoon Rd

Buangkok Dr (New bus stops)

Sengkang Ctrl (Buangkok MRT)

Compassvale Dr

Compassvale Rd

Sengkang East Way (Sengkang MRT)

Sengkang West Way

Fernvale Rd (Fernvale LRT) (New bus stop)

Sengkang West Ave

Sengkang West Rd (New bus stops)

Seletar Aerospace Way (New bus stop)

Oxford St

West Camp Rd

Seletar West Link (New bus stops)

Seletar North Link (New bus stops)

Punggol Way (Nibong and Sumang LRT) (New bus stops)

Punggol Ctrl

Punggol Pl

Punggol Temp Int

- Replace svc 324 (which has disastrous loading anyway); if demand grows, can introduce 102M to ply existing route of 324, so that those along Upp Serangoon Cres/View don't have to walk so much

- Connect Buangkok Dr (which has no service today) to Buangkok MRT, and better utilise Buangkok MRT at the same time

- Connect Sengkang West Way (which only has the terrible svc 85) to Sengkang MRT and Seletar Mall

- Connect Seletar Aerospace Park to Sengkang and Punggol MRT stations (the nearest MRT stations)

- Provide a trunk service for Nibong and Sumang LRT (which has no service today) and flats there under construction

- The sector between Seletar Airport and Punggol seems windy and redundant, so may consider looping at West Camp Rd instead

- If implemented, expect loading on svc 85 to drop even further

Hi mr array88, not very true la. Sbs 85 loading will not drop much even if this service is introduced. Everybody has the wrong misconception that whatever service duplicates a sector of sbs 85, then its loading will drop. This service does not even serve the other side of Punggol central/Punggol east/sengkang east drive/sengkang east way/rivervale drive/compassvale drive which gives sbs 85 its loading. So why should sbs 85 loading drop? Everybody thinks sbs 85 loading comes from Punggol mrt side but it is actually considered a vital service for Punggol east near to the Riveria LRT and sengkang east people. To be frank, sbs 85 loading is increasing due to pent-up frustration for Punggol central residents. There are more and more flats and no new services for Punggol central and east people. Cheers.

Sbs6750E SG

Ffw 80e
Via
Follows it’s parent sv 80 to Upp Serangoon Rd
Tampines Rd (exp)
Kpe
Nickoll Highway
Middle Rd
Nth Bridge Rd
Follows sv 80 again to Harbourfront Int.
This service will operate full day.

Guides anyone? SG

Havn't been planning routes for quite awhile, inspired to do this after personally experiencing it yesterday.

SMRT Service 984

Choa Chu Kang - Ang Mo Kio Avenue 6 (Loop)

Via:

Map link: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zmJW9VteOoJY.k5FF5ssW4u8o&usp=sharing

Noone's a perfectionist, so comments are warmly welcomed.

TIB1112L SG

Route Suggestion: Service 102

- Direct connectivity between Buangkok MRT and Sengkang West Road (relieves 50/163 by providing link to another MRT station)

- Connects Jln Kayu/Sengkang West Way BTOs to Seletar Mall

Please comment on my suggestion and ways I can improve

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z-ZflH1PNuy8.kZMNV9TZFGpk

Path Light SG

Townlink Service at Jurong East Bus Interchange

Service 338: Jurong East Bus Interchange to Jurong West Street 52, 51, 42, 41 and Jurong East Street 32 (Loop)

Route: Uses Service 335, 334 and 333's route

Buses: 9 SD and 16 DD

SMB145B SG

Havn't been planning routes for quite awhile, inspired to do this after personally experiencing it yesterday.

SMRT Service 984

Choa Chu Kang - Ang Mo Kio Avenue 6 (Loop)

Via:

Map link: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zmJW9VteOoJY.k5FF5ssW4u8o&usp=sharing

Noone's a perfectionist, so comments are warmly welcomed.

why don't make it terminate at YCK bus terminus?

instead of looping at AMK Ave 6 via AMK Ave 8, make it loop at ave 8 via Ave 6

carbikebus SG

why don't make it terminate at YCK bus terminus?

instead of looping at AMK Ave 6 via AMK Ave 8, make it loop at ave 8 via Ave 6

YCK cannot accomodate one more svc already,Too cramped.Even AMK already bursting with those added fleet feeders.

Sbs6750E SG

Introducing 2 new feeder bus services in Sengkang.
Service 373: Sengkang Interchange – Jln Kayu (loop)
Passes through,
Sengkang Sq
Sengkang East Way
Sengkang West Way
Fernvale Rd
Sengkang West Ave
Jln Kayu
Fernvale St (new bus stop)
Fernvale Rd (new bus stops)
Sengkang West Way
Sengkang East Way
Compassvale Rd
Sengkang Sq

Why?
Improves connectivity along Sengkang West.
Another service to Sengkang West Way which is only served by the low frequensied 85.
Serves Fernvale Street/Road, which doesn’t have any bus service until now.

Service 374: Sengkang Interchange – Compassvale Crescent (loop)
Passes through,
Sengkang Sq
Sengkang East Way/Rd
Compassvale St/Cres and back.

Interesting note:
This service can merge with 373 and form a townlink service.

Feedbacks are welcomed!
Have a good time reading.

Guides anyone? SG

why don't make it terminate at YCK bus terminus?

instead of looping at AMK Ave 6 via AMK Ave 8, make it loop at ave 8 via Ave 6

Like what carbikebus said, taking into consideration the cramped interchanges, it is better to make it a loop service.

If loop via avenue 8, I cant seem to find a place for a bus stop near YCK MRT. Any recommendations??

JurongWestresident SG

YCK cannot accommodate one more svc already,Too cramped.Even AMK already bursting with those added fleet feeders.

Like what carbikebus said, taking into consideration the cramped interchanges, it is better to make it a loop service.

If loop via avenue 8, I cant seem to find a place for a bus stop near YCK MRT. Any recommendations??

what if, the ultimate solution is the Mass Rapid Transit (MRT)?

coming soon: Thomson MRT Line

interim measure: bus interchange expansions

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