no brainer rider

last SG · 2003-03-16T03:46:12+00:00

wah!!! thats abit hash liao.....

No_regret SG

Got encounter b4. They relax driving and scare if they too fast, ppl cant see wat car they driving mah.

milkshake SG

maybe the road their husband property? Laughing

Atobe SG

Yup, and drive too - nissan car and isuzu truck.

Atobe SG

Why be in the Lane 1, with all the dangers of faster cars on this lane, and expected falling branches ?

BTW if a long branch is to fall, it will go across the entire road width, not just a single lane.

The safest lane is on the left most lane, between the road shoulder and Lane 3 (or Lane 4 in a major expressway), where the slower vehicles are.

Every morning, most of the faster goods vehicles (at 90 kmh) are travelling on Lane 2, and the not so fast (at 70 - 80 kmh) are moving on Lane 3, while the very slow ones (at 60 kmh) are on Lane 4.

It is on this Lane 4, that you can find a long gap between one truck from the other, while the going is real heavy on Lane 3 and 2; with Lane 1 taken up by most frustrated car drivers.

It is these frustrated car drivers on Lane 1 and the faster goods vehicles on Lane 2 that normally cause accidents to most "Bikers" that loves to travel "NEXT" to the dotted lines between Lane 1 and 2.

One slight drift from the goods vehicles on the left in Lane 2, or a slight drift from the car on the right in Lane 1, then the "biker" gets sandwiched. Not a pretty sight, once you get shaken by the air stream of both these types of vehicles.

Try riding between the road shoulder and / or the middle of Lane 4 (on 4 lane highways) or Lane 3 (on 3 lane carriageway).

nismoS132 SG

is that your perspective as a rider or a driver?

i personally find lanes 3 and 4 to be the most dangerous of all lanes, purely because it's filled with huge trucks and lorries, during heavy traffic, they would be moving at extremely slow speeds, maybe 20-30kmh (i don't have a speedo, those are guesstimates), their size alone would block a huge portion of your view, if anything happened up ahead you would be the last to find out. their size would also prevent you from even trying to overtake them. if you go inbetween them slowly, you risk being crushed. if you try to add some speed, and sudden actions by them would also cause you to get crushed.

i wouldn't even travel between 3 and 2 because having big intimidating vehicles travelling beside me isn't exactly a reassuring ride.

the safest is still between 1 and 2, where the cars are smaller. their speeds are also the fastest, which aids a smoother and more consistent flow of traffic. it also helps that you can actually see through or above them to checkout the traffic infront. remember, we're taught to look far in the driving centres.

and please don't rap on about how we shouldn't travel between cars at high speeds. it's alot safer to overtake them as fast as possible then to get stuck between them. i'm not telling you to travel at 140-60 through all the cars, but if they're travelling at 80 (usually), it's alot safer to go through them at 100 than to risk getting sandwiched in between them.

^WeeZer^^ SG

Erm u a rider urself? Rolling Eyes Shocked Shocked cause if u are than u also consider urself a no brainer.

TTTTT SG

What rubbish. Go and tell that to Steve Chia

PuRe-EviL SG

I agree with you. Moreover, with those big vehicles, chances of them knowing your existence is much lower. I never liked travelling close to huge vehicles.

Atobe SG

I write my comments as a "Rider".

You said the right thing, if it is safer to overtake at 100 kmh when the cars are moving at 80 kmh; unfortunately, outside the max peak hours, most cars are travelling at 100 kmh PLUS along most expressways.

However, do you think it is much safer overtaking those larger trucks that are travelling at only 60 kmh on Lane 4 (roads with 4 lanes), or the speeding cars at 100 kmh and more ?

As I have written, the gaps between these large heavy trucks, are at times more then 200 or even 300 meters, and that should give anyone enough distance to view the situation up ahead, and "zipped" between trucks.

Many of the lighter goods vehicles (those 1.5 tons trucks or large Panel Vans) seldom want to travel behind these lumbering heavy trucks, which struggle at 60 or 70 kmh on Lane 4, when the 1.5 ton trucks and panel vans are moving at 80 and even 90kmh or more - on Lane 3 or 2.

On Lane 1, you will find most cars going at 100 to 120 kmh; with some occassional retard drivers, doing 80-90 kmh on Lane 1, when there is no traffic ahead (following the speed limit posted, and refusing to move to Lane 2 or even Lane 3 or 4), when our bikes, vans, or cars can go faster.

I find it safer to see the road ahead, when riding near the solid line between Lane 4 (or 3) and the Road Shoulder, as there is nothing obstructing my view; and I can zipped by the 60kmh Big Heavy Trucks, knowing that the vans or light trucks will not be able to match my 100 - 120 kmh throttle up.

When I see any vehicles (cars, vans, trucks) on the road shoulder itself. I am more alert to their presence.

Try it on those heavy traffic hours, it is easier to handle the lumbering trucks on Lane 4 and 3, than the faster responding cars.on Lane 2 or 1.

No_regret SG

Not to forget about their extremely heavy weight which cause their braking distance to be very long also. Especially those fully loaded ones. They might not be able to brake in time and crush into u.

TZR SG

if u follow behind a car u will die... u stay in between if the brake u still have chance to cut into the middle lobang if u're not in time to brake...

TZR SG

have! Honda CB125T....

TZR SG

U are a Fu*ker.

nismoS132 SG

i find that, no matter the time, cars usually travel between 80-100. very few, if ever, travel above that. i usually travel at a constant speed of 100-120 and i find myself overtaking cars more often than cars overtaking me. if a car were to want to overtake me, i would just move to the 2nd lane to let him do so, i don't mind slowing down to 80-100 and going over to the 2nd lane just to let them pass me. i realize not many people are willing to do so.

and still, despite the speeds, be they 40 or 100, i would never travel behind a truck, fact being that they're alot bigger than cars and that much harder to avoid.

last thing. i never travel on the rad shoulder, not even during traffic jams. i'd still rather stick between 1 and 2 than to go over to the road shoulder, i just find it alot more safer, not necessarily faster, just safer.

nismoS132 SG

oh ya almost forgot about this. when i was still a newbie, sometimes i would travel behind trucks too. and there was once where a crate had fallen off the truck, i didn't manage to avoid it but luckily it was just an empty basket. it hit my wheel and just bounced off (AND HIT A TAXI!! Laughing )

now imagine if that was a fully loaded crate.

i've noticed that many trucks don't really secure their goods very well. if they were to ebrake all of a sudden, you'd have no where to run really.

Atobe SG

If ever traffic come to a halt, you will never see a bike stopping in the middle of a lane.

You will always see a bike squeezing between vehicles, riding on the dotted line, and getting to the front of the jam.

Even if the truck takes a long time to brake, if you are on a bike - you will probably be out of the way already.

Sorry but as "riders", we must be nuts to stop behind any truck, or car, that is stationary in a traffic stop, without making our usual habit of squeezing between vehicles and getting to the front.

So even if the vehicle behind should have problem braking in time, we should have gotten out of the way.

There is a difference in riding when the traffic is flowing and constantly moving, and when the traffic has come to a stop in a jam or at a traffic light.

Atobe SG

No, don't get me wrong..... not travel behind a truck or a big vehicle on Lane 4.

Also, NO, I don't mean to ride on the road shoulders as well.

But to have a choice of riding between speeding vehicles on Lane 1 and 2, or slower heavy vehicles on Lane 4 and the road shoulder, I would prefer to choose the latter.

Like I said, on Lane 4 (Lane 3 on a 3 lane roads), you will find that the traffic consist mainly of big heavy trucks, that are slow, and has long distance of 200 to 300 meter gaps.

This provide sufficient space for our fast bikes to move from one empty space to another empty space.

One need to be alert when riding in such traffic; I guess my style has been developed by riding up to Thailand, and also when travelling in poorer countries such as Philippines, Indonesia, and Vietnam - where heavy traffic consist of a larger volume of goods carrying trucks and passenger buses, then there are cars - and the roads are mostly one or two lanes in each direction, and with no centre divider.

Anyway, when on the road, there is no safe place that can guarantee no wierd accident will not happen - crate can fall from any vehicles in any lane, branches can fall from trees growing in the center divider or growing from the pavements. If crates don't fall off a truck in front of us, a vehicle can suddenly come to a slow speed due to mechanical or electrical failure, and it can be on any lane.

Only way to survive on the roads, is for each of us to ride or drive in a way that our style is comfortable with, and take care to be alert to the road condition, and also to ANTICIPATE the development of road situations FOR the driver or rider in front of you. Read the situation and anticipate before the events happen.

The computer in our brain must constantly assess the events before us, as we ride or drive, and alert ourselves constantly to assess the situation and prepare ourselves with quick decision in response to the situation.

Good luck and safe riding (and driving).......

nismoS132 SG

ah yes, anticipate.
many riders fail to do that.

No_regret SG

Any bike with the best braking system will still lose out to car. They have 4 thicker wheels to stop faster and more stable.

If i nv remember wrongly u did mention that bikes should also stay in lane right? So if we stay in the lane, the car infront happen to e-brake, maybe we leave enough following distance and do an e-brake also. But if a truck is behind u, wat do u think will happen?

Sad

PuRe-EviL SG

Trucks have even more thicker wheels so should be able to stop even faster and even more stable???? Laughing

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