Chineseboy marries Muslimgirl -Scenario

last SG · 2004-12-27T19:00:59+00:00

aiya... if chinese boy marry muslim girl. Then of the girl should convert to the boy's religion. As the saying goes: marry chicken follow chicken, marry dog...

greengoblin SG

You wash for them lah... Mr. Green

bigdeal SG

Crying or Very sad

dumbdumb! SG

i’ve got a friend, like muslim girls, so just convert outside, but inside same religion. haha. he eats pork and whatever la

vito_corleone SG

to be fair, both be aethist.

6White_Pawn9 SG

Fair? Abandon religion? That would solve the marriage problem, but we follow religion not for fun. We think (I'd rather say "we know", but for formal purposes, I'll use "think" ) it's true.

Religion is not a for-fun thing.

SibeiSuayKia SG

i will get disowned, im sure?

my parents is very strict pple..

No_Problemo SG

Originally posted by book79:
Thanks people. (for the advice)

[b]& what if the chinese boy decides to remain as he is:
- no NEW Muslim name.
- no conversion to Muslim.
- no circumcision (i think it's a personal private preference)
(Bottomline is that they love each other & they registered the marriage.)

..does it involve enthnicity/ moral issues & stuff?
Will the boy/ girl suffer in the longterm relationship?
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I don't think this is possible. The gal will be treat as outcast and will be deny any claim when come to law matters and under Syariah law it is an offence. If this happen is muslim country, she could be stone to death. Think twice before u want to torment the girl

No_Problemo SG

2day U post something that make sense Mr. Green

vito_corleone SG

well, we should let both of them decide

Poopie-Head SG

Originally posted by Maya061:
nowadays not only Muslim do circumcise.
n it's a lot better (better look, better sex, healthier, more clean, etc) too.

so..why not ? eventhough u wouldn't marry a Muslim gal, still reccomended to circumcise.

just have to tell u guys that the above is very untrue.

recent indepth studies show that circumcision DOES NOT EQUAL Cleaner/Healthier. It is in fact recommended NOT TO CIRCUMCISE. However, it has become a norm for many people, whether be it cultural or religious there seems to be ALOT of implications involved (not only muslims, most American boys are circumcised), so there wasnt enough 'push' for this to be publicised. If u would bother to do to a web search, u can definitely find relevant sites on the topic.

It definitely does not guarantee better sex. in fact it makes the male less sensitive, meaning worse sex. The foreskin is there for a reason - to protect the sensitive glands.

As for the claim of better look, i would say it depends on individual. But I'd have to vote for the natural look. I like things to be natural. Wink

BTW, do u think nature will make it such that males are naturally 'unhealthy'? I am not circumcised but I dont have any disease or infection or any illness coz of my foreskin. Do you think most of the guys in the world actually suffer from any such illness? I would say it is a matter of personal hygiene!

Have u also thought about girls? Should they remove all the extra skin so as to be healthier, cleaner, better sex and look nicer? Girls, having more discharge, have even more to think about for hygiene, but is there any talk about removing the skin? We seldom hear about female circumcision! (Actually, there are. Some girls in Africa do indeed get circumcised by removing their skin, but it is to be noted that many activitists consider that practise to be very cruel and are trying their best to stop it.)

If u believe in a God, then u believe in his 'Intelligent Design', but how come u dont believe that his design is intelligient enuff to be natually 'healthy'. Contradicting huh? Laughing

Originally posted by book79:
& what if the chinese boy decides to remain as he is:
- no NEW Muslim name.
- no conversion to Muslim.
- no circumcision (i think it's a personal private preference)
(Bottomline is that they love each other & they registered the marriage.)

..does it involve enthnicity/ moral issues & stuff?
Will the boy/ girl suffer in the longterm relationship?

It's nonsense to say that you MUST do this or that! You dont have to convert to be a muslim, you dont have to circumcise, and u dont have to get a new muslim name. Remember, u can do watever you want about your name and your life, dont let others tell u what to do.

however, you have to know what consequences will be involved, and also consider the impact on your wife-to-be, and relatives on both sides. this is the more sensitive issue, and it all depends on the level of tolerance on both sides, and the willingness to accept. give and take ba.

o-lua SG

haha.... no wonder so many muslims in the world... it spreaded v quickly lo... anw... the kings who married muslim princesses also have to convert... haha... tts how so many muslim nations come about.. all the way fro,m arab.

6White_Pawn9 SG

Originally posted by Poopie-Head:
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recent indepth studies show that circumcision DOES NOT EQUAL Cleaner/Healthier. It is in fact recommended NOT TO CIRCUMCISE. However, it has become a norm for many people, whether be it cultural or religious there seems to be ALOT of implications involved (not only muslims, most American boys are circumcised), so there wasnt enough 'push' for this to be publicised. If u would bother to do to a web search, u can definitely find relevant sites on the topic.

I don't know where you got that info, but my friend recently had to circumcise (doctor's recommendation) because his foreskin was infected.

If u believe in a God, then u believe in his 'Intelligent Design', but how come u dont believe that his design is intelligient enuff to be natually 'healthy'. Contradicting huh?

It's a little the other way round. According to Islam, it's a "God told us to cut off the foreskin" kind of thing. In the bible, Isaac and Ishmael's convenant thing...they were also circumcised because God instructed it.

I also see it as a test of obediance. We (Muslims) believe that God is perfect, which means he knows all. He tells us to do it, so we do it, even if it sounds crazy (like the story of Abraham and his son, Abraham was told to sacrifice his son. In the end, his son did not die and it was all a test of faith). And people...just in case you all are curious...God's orders does not include violence...I don't want this thread to go out of control.

Hey I hope I'm not getting you wrong, but if the non-muslim decides to convert, it musn't be because of the advantages he may get or people force him to. A Muslim convert has to convert willingly! No forcing involved!

Muslims aren't allowed to marry Non-muslims (unless they convert). Unfortunately, some muslims have been marrying non-muslims.

mistyblue SG

well malay girls are easy

NeonTetra SG

Jews circumcise the males not for the sake of hygiene and watever medical reasons. Like wat some of u mentioned...how can God Almighty make something tt is unhygiene and we need to manually remove it?

Circumcision is a ritual to remind the descendants of Abraham of the covenant God made with the people of Israel that they are His own people and His blessing is upon them.

mistyblue SG

Think very hard... There is cultural difference and expectations are different
plus a whole lot of other pressures. Even couples with same race, color, religion and etc can also have issues, now much less one of a different race, color, religion, and etc. What you take for granted everyday in your own home will be the simple issues you face with another race. So would the families have problems as well ... its a very difficult union but does not mean its not possible.

Poopie-Head SG

I don't know where you got that info, but my friend recently had to circumcise (doctor's recommendation) because his foreskin was infected.

Some people's toes are infected and need to be severed, so does it mean anything? What I'm saying is that this is obviously an isolated case. Most males on the planet are not circumcised, and most of us are not suffering from anything resulting from it. On the other hand, I can give examples of circumcised guys having it bad becoz their glans are not protected. The simple fact that the foreskin is there in the first place is to protect the glans, why remove it? Sure, some people need help becoz once in a while people have insolated cases that need treatment. Isolated cases include no-opening, cant pull back, yada yada. To think that it is more hygenic is a very erroneous misconception that people had since way back in history. If u wanna talk about hygene, consider it is said that every single girl, even in modern times, will have an infection at least once in their lifetime. Doesnt this call for more attention for them to be 'cleansed'/circumcised?

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If u believe in a God, then u believe in his 'Intelligent Design', but how come u dont believe that his design is intelligient enuff to be natually 'healthy'. Contradicting huh?
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It's a little the other way round. According to Islam, it's a "God told us to cut off the foreskin" kind of thing. In the bible, Isaac and Ishmael's convenant thing...they were also circumcised because God instructed it.

Yes, i know that it is God's instruction. Why didnt He mention about the girls' problems or how to maintain hygene in their cases? Like I said, if humans were a result of His intelligent design, we need not have to do with all these 'imperfect' natural causes of unhygenic conditions in the first place.

I also see it as a test of obediance. We (Muslims) believe that God is perfect, which means he knows all. He tells us to do it, so we do it, even if it sounds crazy (like the story of Abraham and his son, Abraham was told to sacrifice his son. In the end, his son did not die and it was all a test of faith). And people...just in case you all are curious...God's orders does not include violence...I don't want this thread to go out of control.
Mr. Green we wouldnt wanna talk about violence at all

ok back on topic, yes, i understand it is becoz of faith and obedience. But it is exactly also becoz of faith that u do not question His instructions - aka blindly follow without understanding (pardon me, i dont mean to sound disrespectful). IMO, I prefer to understand the answers to my questions, rather than to follow others without questioning. Just like when u do a maths question, do u just use a formula without understanding how to derive the formula in the first place? Of coz it is easier to just use the formula without understanding... If God made us with free-will, would He not want us to have wisdom and intelligence as well?

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It's nonsense to say that you MUST do this or that! You dont have to convert to be a muslim, you dont have to circumcise, and u dont have to get a new muslim name. Remember, u can do watever you want about your name and your life, dont let others tell u what to do.
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Hey I hope I'm not getting you wrong, but if the non-muslim decides to convert, it musn't be because of the advantages he may get or people force him to. A Muslim convert has to convert willingly! No forcing involved!

Muslims aren't allowed to marry Non-muslims (unless they convert). Unfortunately, some muslims have been marrying non-muslims.

Hmm ok, so what happens if a muslim and a non-muslim wanna get married to each other but the non-muslim dont wanna convert? So is it wiser for them to be together without being married? Shocked Prolly not. So wat better solution?

Poopie-Head SG

Ah, I can understand if that is the case.

Thanks for the info. Do u have links regarding this topic? Mr. Green

The local tv series 'Ah Char!' is one funny interpretation of such issues. Mr. Green

6White_Pawn9 SG

In my case, this is the main reason. The health thing is also part of it .

6White_Pawn9 SG

Originally posted by Poopie-Head:

Some people's toes are infected and need to be severed, so does it mean anything? What I'm saying is that this is obviously an isolated case. Most males on the planet are not circumcised, and most of us are not suffering from anything resulting from it. On the other hand, I can give examples of circumcised guys having it bad becoz their glans are not protected. The simple fact that the foreskin is there in the first place is to protect the glans, why remove it? Sure, some people need help becoz once in a while people have insolated cases that need treatment. Isolated cases include no-opening, cant pull back, yada yada. To think that it is more hygenic is a very erroneous misconception that people had since way back in history. If u wanna talk about hygene, consider it is said that every single girl, even in modern times, will have an infection at least once in their lifetime. Doesnt this call for more attention for them to be 'cleansed'/circumcised?

It's more hygienic without the foreskin. The doctor said it himself (check back to the infection...I didn't mention this though)! I can't go deep in this since I don't know how it can get dirty. IF it is healthier with the foreskin anyway, I'm sure the government would take steps to help this be known.

Girls get infected? What do you mean? I don't know about this.

Yes, i know that it is God's instruction. Why didnt He mention about the girls' problems or how to maintain hygene in their cases? Like I said, if humans were a result of His intelligent design, we need not have to do with all these 'imperfect' natural causes of unhygenic conditions in the first place.

Like Neontetra said. The main reason was the convenant. I don't know what you mean when you talk about the girl's problems...

So the result of the Big Bang ended up so perfectly, until the Earth happened to be just right for human life, we evolved from "fish" to "apes"? Until now we haven't seen anything that evolved. How is it that the human body system is so mechanically good? Even Charles Darwin denied the evolution theory before he died.

As long as (people who've seen the miracles in religion+ prophecies being fulfilled) exist, they would deny that evolution is the origin of mankind.

ok back on topic, yes, i understand it is becoz of faith and obedience. But it is exactly also becoz of faith that u do not question His instructions - aka blindly follow without understanding (pardon me, i dont mean to sound disrespectful). IMO, I prefer to understand the answers to my questions, rather than to follow others without questioning. Just like when u do a maths question, do u just use a formula without understanding how to derive the formula in the first place? Of coz it is easier to just use the formula without understanding... If God made us with free-will, would He not want us to have wisdom and intelligence as well? [/color]

Convenant Wink That's the main reason. The hygiene thing is an additional advantage.

Hmm ok, so what happens if a muslim and a non-muslim wanna get married to each other but the non-muslim dont wanna convert? So is it wiser for them to be together without being married? Shocked Prolly not. So wat better solution?

Yeah, if they did marry, the girl would be breaking Islamic Law, and there would be lots of conflicts. The family thing just won't work out.

6White_Pawn9 SG

Eh don't let this topic slip to "The reason for circumcision" Neutral !

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