Yea It means "Working adult" I kinda find ppl ridiculous to
think of something so absurd through a simple english. How the
statistic is collected is thru the calculation of member's database
of working adult (collected from all cgs). This was already
mentioned during the building funds which sepreated the "working
adult' and "Students". Its just like u picking up any piece of bone
of the ground and think it has some prehistoric values. The english
is simple and it has no other meaning. If you are the one compiling
the statistic for everyone to see its quite irealistic to think
that its has the "outer meaning" rite? WHy dun u try asking my
pastor instead.
I am surprised u return and ask me tat question 
. I thought u r the first one tat ask me about tat 53%
in the first place ? U r the one tat keep bringing up the topic of
53% in the first place ? Wat is the question tat u want to ask
regarding to tis 53% ?
Hmmm Let's make a illustration. U have 10 bucks u have to pay $3
bucks for your meal, and u had a option of paying another $3 bucks
for a magazine. Does that means U paying $3 bucks for the meal u'll
definitely pay $3 for the magazine. Totally illogical rite? 10%
tithe is a requirement if you decided faithfully to obey God. but
the cd??? Its not a must to buy cd if you pay tithe even u can do
that. U r assuming everyone does that in an ideal situation where
they have no life they just live on tithe and cds. Well wake up.
Hello.... knock knock..... r u alrite? And btw u had seems to avoid
some questions leh. Yet to explain how she got into top asian and
taiwan mtv and music chart.
Then how about the building and misc fees ? They r not
compulsory right ? I am trying to say u guys will PAY anything to
support anything related to your church. U guys r already prepared
to pay $357 every month for the church ! U guys
will probably don't mind paying another $180 for the CDs tat come 3
times for 2 years. And in my example, I say tat each member only
need to buy 3 CDs of her to make a VERY BIG impact. Thus the cost
is just a mere $54 per album she came up with. The pastor had
already publicly pressure people to buy her CDs. These r first hand
account, written in Straits Times
Someone from her congregation in Singapore had just informed her
that the weekend edition of Today had a Page 1 story in which some
church members expressed uneasiness over City Harvest's support of
her pop career.
Her husband and church founder, Reverend Kong Hee, was described as
giving updates of his wife's singing and promotional activities
during church service.
One church member was quoted as complaining: 'Even before the name
of God is glorified, the husband always praises her first and shows
her video.'
The report also said there were suggestions that the church was
being used to drum up votes for Ho at this Friday's MTV Asia
Awards.
U still insist u people never buy in a huge quantity of her
albums ?
Then I ask u, swearing in the name of your God, u will answer these
questions to the best of your knowledge. How much CDs have u bought
for HYS ? To the best of your knowledge wat is the average number
of album each people bought ? How much CD your cell group had
bought ?
U can keep denying it if u want. U can keep saying there is no such
happenings. The truth is out there.
Hmmm so he only bought 5 and not 10??? I tot u think everyone
buy 10s of cds. Now only 5 for mr poon. For this question. Hmmm u
only managed to showed me one leh. Do u think in theory of
probability Mr Poon can represent all of chc? And I did said there
are ppl who bought but the numbers are not sufficient to alter any
of the results. Try something more concrete leh. Kaoz, like u see a
guy from NTU do u assume NTU is a boys institution? Ridiculous.
Bring enuff prove first leh. Stop arguing thru these little loop
holes. Try using more evidences and CONCRETE and SOLID prove. In
fact now I tell u honestly yea most ppl perhaps I think bought cd
out of support. But is it substantial enuff? That isn't that many
to buy 10s of cd for 3 album striaght just for support. It is rare
I can confidently say.
Did I ever say I think everyone bought 10 CDs ? I say there r
peole from u church tat bought 10 CDs. Poon is already unhappy with
HYS and yet he still bought 5. Wat do u think of those people who r
more obsess with church than him ? I already show u 1 person. U
want me to show u a hundred yah ? I already stated first hand
account claims on people buying lot of her CDs, u still not
satisfied yah ?
U want me to show u more proof ? u think it is a fair request to
ask ? U also acknowledge tat there were people tat bought 10 CDs of
her for 3 albums straight isn't it ? The lowest number a member
bought is certainly greater than 1 for her album. Wat do u think is
the average number the member of the church bought ?
Hmmm Why he leave the church? Put yourselve in his shose would u
leave the church? Out of shame and guilt or embaressment, any of
the three element i think with such a big church u'll definitly
leave without any forms of threat. Have u ever tot of this? I guess
perhaps u had just dun wan to weaken ur arguement by quoting this.
To be frank simply becoz I challenged u I noe for very very sure U
have no SOLID evidence or any facts to support yourself. And I am
very very confident of what you said is wrong which I understand
with my own experience. Thru these debates u had been losing bouts
and bouts and u been shifting around looking for loop holes etc
etc. I think most ppl who read this can see. Picking only little
insignificant things that can't prove much. Just as if you are so
confident of what u said thru proving in the real "arena". You had
nothign to lose if truth is on ur side. Most anti-chc ppl have
common characteristic (i seen alot) They are affected by something
or wat the church does through it may not be wrong, but that they
disagree much. In fact most of them doesn't really enuff first hand
encounter with the church itself but thru a second hand
understanding ( in fact more than 90% of what they noe of the
church are rumours and myth, for instance saying chc force ppl to
pay tithe buy cds etc, Well I was nvr forced yet). Some their
feelings are caused by the influence of peers. And just dislike
becoz they think its the norms and trends and for the sake of doing
so. I think perhaps in a court room you may prove more beneficial
if u holds the truth. Than here arguing with no strong support for
your words.
Why is he out of church ? It is because shame, guilt or
embarrassment ? Maybe. But it can also meant tat he was forced into
the apology, he saw the rotten nature of the church or he is
victimised, hated and looked down upon from his church members
after tat incident.
Wat is the challenge u pose to me ? To sue the church ? I tell u
once I tell u twice. Wat basis is there for me to sue the church ?
On wat charge ? I am not like u guys tat take legal action for
anything. Now I also offer a challenge to u. If u think I am
talking rubbish, then call police and sue me lah ! If u think other
other people here r against the church, then sue them lah ! There
are cases of people suing people for slander and win isn't it ? So
sue us lah ! If u don't and cannot sue us, does it proves u r wrong
?
Your challenge is so silly and u treat as though tis is an
important winning point. Tell u, tis is childish. Why do u tis
notion, " if I don't sue, then I am in the wrong" ? Can only court
prove u r wrong or right ? Is tat the only justice u see in the
world ?
Thru these debates u had been losing bouts and bouts and u been
shifting around looking for loop holes etc etc.
Hahaha... u really r an egoistic person aren't u ? Your
perception of the world r really coloured toward your own stand.
Who has been losing bouts after bouts of argument ? Up till now u
can't even name me a female chinese singer who is 30+ when she
start up her entertainment career. Your only argument is just
continue living in self denial and deny all the facts tat were
presented. Even after I present my evidence, u still ask for more
and more evidence to the point of absurbidites.
Hmmm 100000 cds for singapore and malaysia only ar? For
Singapore for the first album btw is 30000 in print. By the time
the 3rd albums comes due to the overwhelming results the record
company had printed more. I heard once for the second album is
45000 - 60000. The thrid album definitelly is much more. It hadn't
include overseas, this is just singaproe alone. That is assuming
EVERYONE buys then we could get 78% as u said. Check the statistic
again pls. Let's say its only 100000 and the total gross sales is
1.8 million. Hmmm I wonder how the company survive after paying the
singer, retailer, frieght, copyrights, product etc etc +
productions cost. Even if the company has many such Singers and
record but.... this is pathetic. I remembered once I watch this
taiwanese tv program. Singers who are top in Taiwan actually have
records sales of near to a million. Even lesser it can never be
100000.
I can the below extract from the website below. It is from
straits times. I get the figure from here.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/archives/00002017.html
Either way, Ho, whose first album, Sun With Love, in 2002, sold
more than 100,000 copies, said she does not stand a chance of
winning the MTV award.
If u get sale more than 1 million, u will be like Jacky Cheung
'Wen Bie' already. Nowsaday due to piracy, album sales r going
down. U don't believe me, show me the statistic tat says
otherwise.
Yet to explain how she got into top asian and taiwan mtv and
music chart.
Show me some of those info to me first. I wanna read it myself
first before I answer tis.
