Daimler delivers the largest Asian Citaro order to date

SBS2601D SG

so anyone feel that SBST O405 is better than SMRT O405? or the other way round?

as for the price wise, price of buses is one issue. maintainence cost is another big issue....

Cant really compare....different body-work, different AC arrangement, different engine, different gearbox. In short: Different bus.

SMRT's 0405 is updated relative to the SBST one, as well as uprated. SMRT's 0405 engine is rated at 255HP as opposed to SBST's 220HP.

That's why the difference in performance is actually rather noticeable.

Bus Stopping SG

This argument won't cut any ice with me.

You know why?

Its just a friggin bus.

Get over it.

And the KUB is comfortable.

You just have to lower your expectations.

I take 3 hours of bus rides each day, 3/4 of the time on KUBs and have adjusted well to it and found its plus points good enough.

And why in the world do you want to lean your head against the window for??? Its little details LIKE THIS (the oily stains) that PISS ME OFF to no end. Just imagine having to stare out of oil-smudged window for 3hrs.

Bottomline: There's 1100 KUBs, you cannot escape la. And do your part in being considerate to other commuters. That's more useful!

The KUB is comfortable when u are sitting down, but what about standees? you just need a bc to throw the acclerator once when moving off the bus stop and u can see people almost falling. 3 hours of bus ride, how much of it standing?

As i said, the most simply way to test if theres any vibration at all is using the windows, if the seats vibrate, needless to say the windows would. I am not asking anyone to lean on windows for your whole trip, but just as an experiment.

And are you sbst275? why are u replying for him then? Yes the kubs have been improved in countless ways, engine and transmission refined to use less engine braking, brake discs in E5 reduced in size for less powerful braking, better interior layouts. But, for a standing passenger, the ride is still not as comfortable.

SBS2601D SG

What you are advocating is just gross. Please don't do that.

Let's put it this way. If I have a friend taking bus with me, I am far more likely to be disturbed by oil-smudges than a vibrating bus.

And: Any BC who releases the brake and zham accelerator at once will see people falling. Its no fault of the KUB.

BCs have also become accustomed to the KUB's fast responding brake-discs and have improved in their moving-off and braking. Its likely you haven't been taking KUBs recently to know this.

NUS has been using K230UBs on the fantastic slopes and all the stop-and-go operations, but I havent seen anyone fall at every stop like how you describe, despite it being crowded within campus with all the standees you attempt to sympathise with. Most, if not everyone, welcomed the introduction of the K230UB. In fact, the SC K230UB is really nice to take. You should try it. Nice comfy seats and its tuned the same way as the EEV SBST K230UBs. Very smooth.

I'm not speaking for anybody, nor any type. My take is: Its just a bus....as long as it does not cause my hair to catch fire, my eyeballs to fall off due to vibrations, or bust my eardrum due to noisy radiator during my rides, I'm cool with it.

Oh btw....you want noisy radiators? Look for some of the B10M MKIV and B9TL and B10TLs. Can't go wrong with that.

Bus Stopping SG

What you are advocating is just gross. Please don't do that.

Let's put it this way. If I have a friend taking bus with me, I am far more likely to be disturbed by oil-smudges than a vibrating bus.

And: Any BC who releases the brake and zham accelerator at once will see people falling. Its no fault of the KUB.

BCs have also become accustomed to the KUB's fast responding brake-discs and have improved in their moving-off and braking. Its likely you haven't been taking KUBs recently to know this.

Oh btw....you want noisy radiators? Look for some of the B10M MKIV and B9TL and B10TLs. Can't go wrong with that.

Well, throwing the acclerator is not the same as flooring the acclerator when moving off. Try throwing the clutch on a heavy vehicle, if u ever driven one before.

To add on, i dont hate taking kubs, i do like it when the ride is smooth and when the bc knows how to control his braking well. The main point im trying to say here, is that the citaro is still, a better bus in terms of comfort when compared to the kub.

SBS2601D SG

I think look no further from the example of the Dennis Trident and the VSO to see what could possibly happen in the future.

The Trident was considered a superior purchase over the VSO by virtually everyone, including myself. You can see the parallels drawn as far as criticisms levelled at the VSO was concerned: Underpowered, noisy radiator, slow....etc etc.

Now, if you ask me again, I would pick the VSO over the Trident anyday, unless I'm in the mood for novelty.

Why?

Firstly, some of these criticisms were exaggerated. The VSO is not terribly underpowered. Like the K230UB, it is just not well-endowed with power. And it wasn't like the Trident was a lot better in pick-up. Even if it was, it isn't so obvious now. As for noisy radiator......it became quiet once the B9TLs started their roar. The VSOs still sound the same after all these years....at least for most.

Secondly, the perceived virtues of the Trident were over-rated. The suspension is too soft. There are often BCs who do not appear to be comfortable driving the Trident, given its tendency to bounce and its somewhat faster acceleration, and that makes the bus ride worse. BCs tend to drive more comfortably with the VSO.

As for comfortness....the VSO wins hands down. Its also not easy to find a Trident with decent aircon, with all of its interior and exterior lights working.

All in all, the story is this: "Superior" buys can be self-perceived. Mainteinance is also vastly more important. And....give the "inferior" bus a chance....because the VSO is no longer inferior in my eyes anymore. Far from it in fact. The bashings about it not surviving TPE on 161 and 168, or not surviving the full 17 years are unfounded: The VSO is a reliable workhorse which I know usually guarantees nice aircon and suspension. The Trident? I'm not sure. 9671E's EDS backlight has been spoilt for YEARS already but nobody has gotten around to doing anything about it. *shrugs*

Of course hindsight is always 6/6. Especially when 9844Z's rear wheel fell off at Woodlands Int years ago.

As for bodywork, I have to acknowledge that the Trident has a sturdier bodywork, which also draws attention to the fact that people bash the OC500LE and K230UB's "delicate" bodywork, but nobody (these days) say anything about the possibly flimsier Volgren bodywork.

Says alot about bias sentiments eh?

Context might be different. Citaro is not likely to have the mainteinance issue faced by Tridents which illustrates economies of scale. But the moral still holds.

Gus.chong SG

so anyone feel that SBST O405 is better than SMRT O405? or the other way round?

as for the price wise, price of buses is one issue. maintainence cost is another big issue....

SMRT O405s are better.

sinicker SG

all new buses are good.

whether they maintained well or not makes the difference.

same for humans.

all babies are born the same. but when they become older.............

Bus Stopping SG

I think look no further from the example of the Dennis Trident and the VSO to see what could possibly happen in the future.

Now, if you ask me again, I would pick the VSO over the Trident anyday, unless I'm in the mood for novelty.

Why?

As for comfortness....the VSO wins hands down. Its also not easy to find a Trident with decent aircon, with all of its interior and exterior lights working.

Of course hindsight is always 6/6. Especially when 9844Z's rear wheel fell off at Woodlands Int years ago.

Says alot about bias sentiments eh?

Context might be different. Citaro is not likely to have the mainteinance issue faced by Tridents which illustrates economies of scale. But the moral still holds.

There's a simple reason why i feel the vso still wins the trident hands down. even if the tridents was maintained with tip top condition, nothing beats the seats on the vso. It's just so comfortable!

buses[IN]gapore! SG

SBST Citaros regos will be under SBS 6XXX series. Rego plates being fixed up.

Info also confirmed by BIS community contributer

wsy1234 SG

which bus depot will get them first? 6xxx humm recycle number from old bus? Leyland old DD and victory old licence plate? last time this licence under AMK Jurong and Braddell depot.

SBS8675B SG

which bus depot will get them first? 6xxx humm recycle number from old bus? Leyland old DD and victory old licence plate? last time this licence under AMK Jurong and Braddell depot.

I would say that citaros are likely to go to those depots that need to clear off the MK3s in a few months time.

wsy1234 SG

KUBs will go there to take over those MK3 buses. Those 3 depot has history of maintenance mercedes benz buses.

SBS BUSES LOVER SG

which bus depot will get them first? 6xxx humm recycle number from old bus? Leyland old DD and victory old licence plate? last time this licence under AMK Jurong and Braddell depot.

think all the depots will get their fair share , just like the wrights ..

and internal redeployments will be done

AM/BR & SL still have some mercs to clear off , besides the MK3s in bb/ar/bn/hg ..

i remember Leyland regos 6xxx haha.. esp the lo2x .. if they use those lo2x 69XX nos again , it would be like coming back to life after 8yrs ..

carbikebus SG

The neverending battle between SBST Hardcore and SMRTB gang again.Talk also cannot finish one.There are always passengers who like taking SBST buses and dislike SMRT buses and so on.Maintenance wise is partly about the driver itself.SBST ones especially the young do perform their first and last parade of duties which i salute them.They even dont dare to drive the buses even if the tyres are slightly bald unlike SMRT drivers which explain why some of the buses are in poor condition.Netherless if you ask me between SBST O405 and SMRT ones i choose the latter anytime anyday even if is in poor condition.Use to drive the SBST ones while they're temporary based in HG.As for SBST i see only HGDEP,AMDEP/BRBP and BBDEP/ARBP maintance their buses well and Kranji for SMRT.BNDEP & SLBP can join WLDEP and AMDEP for crap maintenance..

Ps:I got a strong feeling that SMRT will buy the facelift version of the Citaro later

chickenlittle2 SG

BNDEP & SLBP can join WLDEP and AMDEP for crap maintenance..

If your comparison are done with buses with the same age then I got nothing to say. I nt sure of other depots but all reported case are attend to, if it is not a major one then it will be rectified at the end of service.

SBS8675B SG

AM/BR & SL still have some mercs to clear off , besides the MK3s in bb/ar/bn/hg ..

AMDEP and BRBP currently have enough buses to cover for the Merc 0405s that are going off. Don't forget that AMDEP still have a number of unassigned Batch 2 EEVs plus some MK4s transferred over from BNDEP.

For SLBP there are also a few EEVs plus MK4s too.

Merczrox SG

It seems like 174/174e were the first few services to get these buses as perms.

Wtf u talking??This buses havent even regged and come out on pax svc yet and u say 174/e was the 1st few svcs to get them..crap man. =.=

Merczrox SG

The new version of the Citaro looks so stylo man..So nice.Haha hope SMRT or SBST wld think abt getting it..I think SMRT wld maybe buy them. :))

Bus Stopping SG

Wtf u talking??This buses havent even regged and come out on pax svc yet and u say 174/e was the 1st few svcs to get them..crap man. =.=

but but, we will definitely see much of citaros on 16 in the near future. That's probably why they bought them, issnt it?

Merczrox SG

but but, we will definitely see much of citaros on 16 in the near future. That's probably why they bought them, issnt it?

Svc 16??Yeah most likely should be.Since svc 16 is conquered mostly by MK3s.But svc 16 is not the only svc which has alot of MK3s.There r other svcs too which might get the majority of the perm MK3s in it's fleet replaced by the Citaros as well.

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