Serangoon Bus Interchange opens 3rd September (Sat)

TIB1010Y SG

look like all new a/c bus interchange is including of 2 office except for TPY

AMK & BL got SMRT office. however BL nv put SMRT logo leh =_=

S'GOON & SK will be empty as SMRT no office there...

not fair sia.. SBS operate all a/c INT & SMRT none? cant wait for yishun to hav its a/c int in future!

anyway SBS oso no office @ woodlands int cos nv c the "2nd office"?

^tamago^ SG

Yishun also don't have SBST office...

sbst275 SG

I think Boon Lay will be the most suay bus int ever...

Not enough parking lots during mealbreaks.

But thanks to it, MND or LTA are thinking twice abt bus int size.. Hopes so

SBS8675B SG

I think Boon Lay will be the most suay bus int ever...

Not enough parking lots during mealbreaks.

But thanks to it, MND or LTA are thinking twice abt bus int size.. Hopes so

I remember there were plans mentioned to open another new interchange at Joo Koon MRT but till now nothing has been done...

sbst275 SG

I remember there were plans mentioned to open another new interchange at Joo Koon MRT but till now nothing has been done...

That one...

Not meant to be discussed in public domain

gohby SG

zilchster and jay > was focusing on the lost link between boundary/ave 2 and toa payoh. thinking along the lines of boundary rd passengers taking a bus one/two stops to lor chuan and then transferring to 73...

is there significant human traffic between toa payoh and boundary/serangoon?

Can't really quantify the human traffic between TPY and Bounday/Serangoon in terms of numbers, but I'm not pleased with the 105 amendment either. In the immediate Sgn Ave 4 / Boundary Rd vicinity, the people have lost a direct link to Toa Payoh and Orchard. Not to mention the people who stay along YCK who do not have 73 to TPY nor a direct service to Scotts/Orchard too.

gohby SG

Any case, for Sv 105's Boundary Rd loading. What I noticed is majority travels up to S'goon Ave 3, mostly bus - bus transfer.

Can you back up your observations? From my experience and my numerous trips on 105 this isn't the case?

Besides, your bulk of your argument, which revolves around the needs of the elderly, 241 (as usual), your PERSONAL habits blah blah blah - is clearly off-tangent to the amendment of 105!

sbst275 SG

Can you back up your observations? From my experience and my numerous trips on 105 this isn't the case?

Besides, your bulk of your argument, which revolves around the needs of the elderly, 241 (as usual), your PERSONAL habits blah blah blah - is clearly off-tangent to the amendment of 105!

I've taken a number of trips, seriously there are times I ended up being the only commuter into Braddell Rd from Boundary Rd.

Many alight at S'goon Ave 3.

As for 241, go take a look how many empty 241A brunched up prior to this week. 4x empty LO3x! Then if your see it in your personal eyes, I guess many would question why so many buses right? Looks is much more believing. Why it's frowned upon, points to the cramped Pioneer Stn bus stop.

As for the elderly, like I've said, in such cases the winding long dist route overides this. Why should the bus incurr additional 10 mins of run time, 2x buses for the long winding route? Then comes to this issue, should it even stop at Town Centre bus stop which is a small bus stop to begin with? You stop, all the 8 or so bus svs all would jam pack the bus stop.

You've to strike a balance. It does not mean for this case, you've to suit to everyone. You can't suit everyone.

Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3.

gohby SG

I've taken a number of trips, seriously there are times I ended up being the only commuter into Braddell Rd from Boundary Rd.

Many alight at S'goon Ave 3.

You've to strike a balance. It does not mean for this case, you've to suit to everyone. You can't suit everyone.

Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3.

Why are you ranting incessantly about how sucky (& empty) 241A is or about the elderly? They are irrelevant to 105's scenario here. I repeat, THEY ARE IRRELEVANT - so stop your senseless spamming / tenuous linkings here.

Jamming and packing the bus stop doesn't apply here because those stops along Boundary Road / Serangoon Ave 2 that 105 will not ply are not susceptible to such jams.

Yes, we have to strike a balance. But where is the balance? Often, the balance is not as clear as it seems. For every link that is lost, commuters are subjected to more inconvenience. However it is not fair to judge 105's balance based on YOUR preferences/personal habits.

You say you've taken a number of trips. That sounds so dubious. I've taken dozens of trips having stayed in the vicinity for so long - and no, I don't observe what you've observed!

"Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3."

So, let me ask you - if you're residing around Sgn Ave 4, Sgn Central Drive (Blks 257, etc), YCK area, Serangoon, and you need to go to Toa Payoh/Orchard, what's the bus you'll take? 105!

^tamago^ SG

Indeed, I was surprised at the loss of Sv 105 for Boundary Rd residents. Not forgetting the hordes of people who board the bus at Blk 238 headed out of S'goon in the morning, these people are not going to be pleased.

The pax onboard leaving this stop can easily hit 35 per trip, and the bus comes anywhere between 8 to 11 minutes during peak hours, so that means we have about 210 residents making a detour to S'goon Int every hour during peak periods just to transfer to Sv 105. For day off-peak periods, it can be as high as about 150 every hour as there is a constant stream of people who go to Orchard or Toa Payoh for transfers throughout the day.

Forcing them to take Sv 73 is not the best solution because, based on observation, headway is rather erratic during peak periods and every trip can see pax onboard of 50. Add 35 people in for every trip and the loading hits 97%.

^tamago^ SG

The only way residents can react is to shift to Sv 53 and Sv 156 and change to trains at Bishan instead of Toa Payoh. Things still don't look rosy for those headed for Far East Plaza, Orchard or Holland Rd.

Zilchster SG

First thing, like I've said, does it mean for the sake of a long dist route making 1 squarish round around the Town Centre? Didn't the feeder bus concept appeared because of this? Why are we rewinding what was done?

Obvious things aren't consistent all these years, but does it mean we keep on continuing to it?

Students? Dun they can take 109, alight at last bus stop and walk into school along Ave 3? Yah, it means gotta leave 1x bus trip earlier.

You're really itching for an argument.

Don't get me started on the circuitous routing out of interchanges. Since we're at amending 105, let's cut the Toh Guan Rd sector since it's making one whole big loop before it gets to Boon Lay Way, since 52 duplicates it all the way to Clementi.

How about Svc 54 which makes one big circuitous routing in Bishan.

Let's cut Svc 55/58 too so they can follow 53 route into the interchange.

Better still cut parts of Svc 8, 28, 39 route.

Also cut 133, 136, why go one big round when they can use AMK Ave 8 instead.

Let's also cut 74. 147, it can follow 132/165's route instead. Isn't that faster?

Then replace all these deleted sectors with feeder services.

Svc 325 also makes a circuitous journey out of Hougang Central.

Zilchster SG

Considering 156 has a horrible frequency. Yikes.

The only way residents should react is to see their MP and get him to do something about it.

Otherwise, what use is the MP?

Zilchster SG

is there significant human traffic between toa payoh and boundary/serangoon?

I won't say heavy traffic, but there's traffic nonetheless. Generally people in Serangoon Avenue 4, those living along Boundary Road and Block 210/209 in Serangoon Central would still be affected nonetheless.

It is possible to take a bus and transfer to 73, but 73 has erratic schedules. I rely on this service quite often. It's not so much about the bus fare, but really the extra time spent commuting.

Zilchster SG

I've taken a number of trips, seriously there are times I ended up being the only commuter into Braddell Rd from Boundary Rd.

Many alight at S'goon Ave 3.

You've to strike a balance. It does not mean for this case, you've to suit to everyone. You can't suit everyone.

Most of the Toa Payoh heading commuters boards at S'goon Ave 3.

There are people who board and alight from the bus at the Serangoon Avenue 2 bus stop.

Making them walk 400 metres isn't a good idea of convenience.

Zilchster SG

Obvious things aren't consistent all these years, but does it mean we keep on continuing to it?

Students? Dun they can take 109, alight at last bus stop and walk into school along Ave 3? Yah, it means gotta leave 1x bus trip earlier.

Ok, I'm now a student in Peicai Secondary and I live in Toa Payoh Lor 4, tell me what bus do I take then?

I live in Serangoon Avenue 4 and I study at the Australian School or St Gabriel's Primary School, tell me, what bus to I take then? It becomes ridiculous that a journey over a short distance would end up a change of service. Ridiculous.

I live in Serangoon Avenue 4, along Boundary Rd and I study in a school in Toa Payoh that requires me to change buses, so now I end up having to take 3 buses. Is this what you call convenience?

And not forgetting 105 is the only link to Serangoon from Orchard area after Express 502 was rationalised.

Well, they can leave 1x bus trip earlier, which means they have less time for rest. That's no good for their health.

carbikebus SG

look like all new a/c bus interchange is including of 2 office except for TPY

AMK & BL got SMRT office. however BL nv put SMRT logo leh =_=

S'GOON & SK will be empty as SMRT no office there...

not fair sia.. SBS operate all a/c INT & SMRT none? cant wait for yishun to hav its a/c int in future!

anyway SBS oso no office @ woodlands int cos nv c the "2nd office"?

For Yishun & Woodlands coming soon,Currently there're using SBST telephone outside the SMRT office to call the timekeeper at their other respective Interchange.SGN,SK & TPY no need SMRT timekeeper office.SGN/TPY no SMRT svc terminate there.SK 965 only loop.Previously theres telephone for 965 AMDEP SL to report duty or call WDL Int office.Changi Airport should do so.Lor 1 got SBST BC cabin for svc 11 & 175.

TIB1010Y SG

I think Boon Lay will be the most suay bus int ever...

Not enough parking lots during mealbreaks.

But thanks to it, MND or LTA are thinking twice abt bus int size.. Hopes so

yes i agree: bus wit end- on berth only got 2 lot. LOL!

anyway AMK, BL, TPY, SG alighting berth no code? only S'goon hav code? berth(A1), berth(A2)?

S'goon and SK lack of parking space n berth? hence tat y 81, 82 force to move out?

n i think its time to upgrade s'goon svc to WAB. i think 1st svc will b 100

sinicker SG

actually 105 should just take the long way into sgoon int....

if 28 can do it in tampines, why cant 105....

there are many towns where the trunk services make a big round in the town before calling at the interchange...

Tampines : 8, 28
Bedok : 14
PSR : 518

SBST needs to make 105 go the long way......

supremebull SG

looking at a map...

it seems that IF 105 went the long way round Serangoon, those coming from TPY/Orchard/Lor Chuan and who need to get to Serangoon Int/NEX in a hurry could alight at the Ave 3 bus stop and cut across blks 330-335 to get to the interchange

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