Past bus routes and deployment

last SG · 2009-08-18T22:50:31+00:00

Are there any bus ply Hu Ching Rd in the past?Thought saw a SBS bus pass by Jurong Town Pri Sch when i was a kid

One Harmonius Blend SG

3) 167 was never a dual depot since its establishement on 3 April 1983. At its humble start, all of its service took over by TIBS were under KJDEP. Until when AMDEP depot was completed, 167 became AM/KJ, alongside with 160, 161, 164, 169.

Was it because of Upp. Thomson road and hence it got under AMDEP?

Just wondering though.

SBS8533C SG

Was it because of Upp. Thomson road and hence it got under AMDEP?

Just wondering though.

Nope. It is generally depending on the location of the services TIBS plied in. AMDEP was built to house the departments operating in two separate locations as well as a depot for Yishun/Sembawang/Admiralty Svcs and the incoming of more new TIBS Japanese buses (Hino/Nissan) adding into the fleet.

AMDEP has a temporary depot while its HQs are under construction and hence the depot was re-housed into the location of the HQ.

Distribution Points:
Yishun Svcs - AMDEP
Sembawang/Admiralty Rd West Svcs - AMDEP/KJDEP
Woodlands Svcs - KJDEP

One Harmonius Blend SG

But then why when WLDEP opened in 1998, Those Yishun based services came to WLDEP, such as 851,852,853,854,855, of which 852 came back in 08 and stayed at WLDEP until now, and 851 for 3 years, Is there any reason for that?

Or a 'trial' period to see if they are suitable for WLDEP?

SBS8533C SG

But then why when WLDEP opened in 1998, Those Yishun based services came to WLDEP, such as 851,852,853,854,855, of which 852 stayed WLDEP until now, and 851 for 3 years, Is there any reason for that?

Or a 'trial' period to see if they are suitable for WLDEP?

There was no such thing as a trial period.

Only some Yishun services 171, 811, 812, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 856 and Services in outlying areas like 167 and 980 were once controlled by WLDEP when the depot had just opened in 1998. Services like 167, 169 and 980 still controls under AMDEP, making it dual depot control.

*Note: 160 was under WL/AM, even though its renumbering took place on 27 Dec 1998, as service 980

However, in AMDEP side, it also shifted its focus to the North East side, mainly Sengkang, Jalan Kayu & Punggol, not just Yishun alone.

I think I did mentioned in the previous posts. You can take a look at Page 32 of this thread below starting from that post onwards. Link is here.

^tamago^ SG

explain Lance on 852...

SBS8533C SG

explain Lance on 852...

I was referring to the 1998/99 era of WLDEP on my post above.

Hmm, previously those lances you had seen before were from AMDEP.
When 852 became AM/KJ, Lances from AMDEP began to serve on 852.

However, some of the lances were xfered to WLDEP to do 852 (meaning those lances you normally seen running on 852 now like 938c, 1014l, etc)

^tamago^ SG

oh. was referring to OHB's claim that sv852 was under WLDEP from 1998 till now...

SBS8533C SG

oh. was referring to OHB's claim that sv852 was under WLDEP from 1998 till now...

No wonder he didn't mention that 852 went back to AM/KJ..

One Harmonius Blend SG

oh. was referring to OHB's claim that sv852 was under WLDEP from 1998 till now...

sorry, what i meant was the 08 depot transfer, my mistake

vicamour SG

explain Lance on 852...

How long was Hispano DAFs deployed for 852 under TIBS era?

Dragonaxe SG

The Chai Chee Bus Terminal shifting

As announced by the HDB, the Chai Chee Bsu Terminal was acquired for the new developments under the proposal by HDB. As such, majority of the services are being called at Bedok Interchange, as the concourse had been expanded to acconodate more parking space for end-on berths.

There were 2 phases of the shifting carried out. One was on 8 Sep 1985 and the ohter was on 15 Sep 1985. Two bus stops along New Upp Changi Rd (8402-A & 8402-Z) were erected outside the terminus for boarding/alighting activities, to utilise the services that serves Bedok Interchange.

Overview of the changes:
PHASE 1 (8 Sep 1985)
13 - Bedok to Ghim Moh via New Upp Changi Rd
20 - Bedok to Ghim Moh via Frankel Ave
40 - Bedok to MacPherson (Loop)
158 - Bedok to Toa Payoh
221 - Bedok to Bedok North Ave 3 (Loop)
227 - Bedok to Bedok North Depot (Loop)
401 - Bedok to East Coast Park Svc Rd

All of its trunk services were shifted to Bedok Int, inclusive of Speacial Service 401. As for its feeders, 221 introduced a 2 plate system while 227 was amended to serve Bedok North Ave 1 & Bedok North Rd, at the same time its looping position will be at Bedok North Depot instead of Bedok Interchage.

PHASE 2 (15 Sep 1985)
33 - Amended to serve New Upp Changi Rd, Geylang Rd(I)/Sims Ave(O), Dunman Rd/Old Airport Rd, extension to Bedok Interchange.
41 - Extension of service to Bukit Merah
44 - Service withdrawal.
219 - New feeder service from Bedok - Bedok South Rd (Loop)
220 - Extension of service to Bedok
221C - Service withdrawal.
222 - Service withdrawal.
223 - Service withdrawal.
224 - New feeder service from Bedok - Chai Chee Rd (Loop)

222 is now serving Chai Chee Road, Chai Chee St and Chai Chee Drive residents as a feeder while 229 was amended to serve Bedok South while passing through Chai Chee Road. 222 now also serves the Bedok North residents.

SBS8533C SG

How long was Hispano DAFs deployed for 852 under TIBS era?

Less than a year (by right, about 6 months). DAF Hispanos DO NOT get to appear on other TIBS services, except to the dedicated services 950, 951 & 952 during its first 5 years.

When those 3 services withdrawn, they began to serve on various KJDEP services until they were sent to CSS (TIB405Z to TIB424T) or being laid up awaiting exportation (TIB391D to TIB404B). They were served on services 5, 75, 160, 167, 169, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 187, 852, 855, 925, 926 & 927.

One Harmonius Blend SG

When did TIB 391D-405Z got de-registered?, now the topic is about hispano DAFs?

SBS8533C SG

When did TIB 391D-405Z got de-registered?, now the topic is about hispano DAFs?

Around 1996/97, when some TIBS DAF Hispanos were transferred to CSS. TIB405Z was transferred to CSS

iveco SG

So WLDEP opened before the Great Swap of 1999?

I understand the Striders were moved to WL from AM, but they did not appear on WDL routes till about mid-99 IIRC. 187 still had Setanta DAFs up till then.

chikopek SG

I have noticed that some of the information are not mentioned in the History of Bus Services by SBS Transit & SMRT Buses in sgwiki.

Service 98 - Originally it plies Jurong West Avenue 1 and Corporation Road (where Sv 99 plies now) before amending to ply Jurong West St 51, Boon Lay Way and then Corporation Road when Lakeside MRT was opened.

Service 193 - When it was introduced in the mid 1990s' it plies Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim (Where Sv 182/182M plies now), Tuas West Dr, Tuas West Road and back to Jln Ahmad Ibrahim.

SMB32T SG

No wonder he didn't mention that 852 went back to AM/KJ..

Service 852's history of operations as follows:-

1998 and before: Full KJDEP, DAFs were deployed when service 852 became a PAC service. No Scanias were deployed on service 852 then.

Oct 1998: WLDEP was opened and service 852 became dual KJDEP/WLDEP controlled. Scanias were introduced on service 852.

Dec 1999: WLDEP gave service 852's duties to AMDEP and thus became dual KJDEP/AMDEP controlled. That was where Lances were introduced on service 852 too. AMDEP Scanias were also made perm on service 852.

June 2000: Became full AMDEP controlled when Bt Batok came under Tibs. DAFs were withdrawn from service 852's fleet. That was also when Scanias were withdrawn from service 852's fleet when AMDEP Scanias were xferred to WLDEP.

Jan 2001: Some depot swops took place between services 167, 851, 852, 859, 980. Also with the introduction on service 857. Service 852 went back dual KJDEP/AMDEP controlled. DAFs made a comeback to service 852.

Jan 2004: Went back to full AMDEP controlled again. TIB436J TIB437G TIB479K TIB490B were xferred from KJDEP to AMDEP and became perm service 852 under AMDEP. From then DAFs were permanently withdrawn from service 852's fleet.

March 2008: Became full WLDEP controlled. Several ex-CSS spare Nissans from WLDEP were thrown over to service 852, together with a few CAC Scania ELBOs. Scanias made a comeback to service 852 whereas Lances were withdrawn.

June 2008: Lances were back to service 852 under WLDEP during the massive swop of buses between depots.

SMB32T SG

So WLDEP opened before the Great Swap of 1999?

I understand the Striders were moved to WL from AM, but they did not appear on WDL routes till about mid-99 IIRC. 187 still had Setanta DAFs up till then.

Service 187 was initially under dual KJDEP/WLDEP controlled, it was in July 1999 during the 1st phase SBS/Tibs swop which made service 187 full WLDEP. DAFs made a perm disappearance on service 187 then.

SMB32T SG

In the past WLDEP controlled some Yishun bus services, reason was because AMDEP got to focus more on NE areas like 82, 103, 163, 864, 865, 866 etc. Whereas KJDEP focused on Woodlands and Bt Panjang services. WLDEP was just like a neutral empire to both sides having majority services under dual WLDEP controlled.

It was because of the merger with SMRT and also the Tibs/SBS swop, major depot deployments took place in 1999/2000 as follows:-

Also to note that service 852 was one of the odd-ball Yishun services to be under full KJDEP in the past with other Yishun services under full AMDEP.

TIB657M SG

When some UDs went for lay-up for 178 and 852, Hispano OACs and CACs from KJDEP and AMDEP replaced them in tmp. basis. That time, Scanias were still under KJDEP 75/700/970.

Then, 178 and 852 got back the Scania fleets when they x-fered back to WLDEP. And some of Hispanos went back to KJDEP in temp. basis whereas the rest went SPARE in WLDEP. 772M and 773K swopped with 666L and 667J, 479K went to perm 963, 781L went to perm 966. There was no mercz fleet on 178 after that.

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