Improvements to Orchard Road Bus Services

last SG · 2004-12-30T12:38:56+00:00

Buddy, i dun think there will be a direct link fr Orc to Hgn Ave 8 as SBST will probably will use this," due to the rationalisation of services in conjunctio...

iamgoondu SG

SMRT 77, 106 and SBST 7, 502 though duplicate much route along Holland Road, served different sections in the West.

I stayed in Holland Ave, and there is only a SMRT 106 fetches me to Orchard Road. Luckily my returned trip allows me to take either of the 5 (+SBST 111) services.

I had noticed a significantly dropped in frequency in SMRT 106, perhaps due to the frequent jams along Orchard and Suntec.

Staggered stops along Orchard Roads for the above services, all buses should make an earlier turn at Orchard Turn (and forgo the bus stops at Cineleisure), that would result in lesser jams there.

iveco SG

The stretch of Orchard Turn leading from Somerset Rd to Orchard Blvd is specially meant for buses. Don't you even know?

I agree HGN Ave 8 has lost all connections to Centrepoint now. 111, IMO, could have been amended to cover the former 512 route along HGN Ave 8/4/9. At least you can still walk out to Ave 2 and take 132 if you are headed for CK Tang's.

On a side note, 132 & 325 duplicate along Upp Serangoon Rd & HGN Ave 2. Maybe 132 should be restored to its former BMR-KVN route.

iamgoondu SG

I meant instead of Somerset Road, Orchard Link and Orchard Boulevard. Skip Orchard Link. And travel by Sometset Road, Grange Road and Orchard Boulevard.

Forgo the busstop at Orchard LInk totally. Don't you think that the jams are at the junction between Sometset and Grange road? It was caused by vehicles from grange road clogging the junction by turning right into Somerset Road??? Despite the yellow boxes, the vehicles still clog the junction, thus buses move little despite green light and causes jams along sometset road. Let the buses turn left into Grange Road and that would result in lesser jam.

SilverKris SG

LOL ninegrains.....good on ya!

I was looking forward to reading opinions on the subject.

I encourage everyone to be pleasant to be on this thread, and welcome those who can meet this minimum criterion.

bendy2003 SG

I totally agree with ninegrains and gohby. As pj_quek lives in hougang, it is very natural that he will emphasize hg ave 8 and not any other places.

Let's make sgForums a pleasant place, ok? Very Happy

Zilchster SG

In the first place, SilverKris you should not have set up an opinion thread like this...because it would cause unnecessary disagreement. By trying to satisfy your own desire to see opinions you might brew trouble which I think you have already done...if you are so interested in opinions, why don't you ask people to private message you instead rather than making the post in public.

So yeah...in the first place don't ask for opinions in the public.

Thank you.

SilverKris SG

Zilchster what a truly bizzare opinion.

this is a public forum- where people can post their thoughts, their ideas, their doubts, their imaginary bus services/companies, their opinions on anything related to buses....and basically their enthusiasm about buses.

That's why we have topics like "Memorable bus rides" or "you prefer sbst or smrt" or "where have all the passengers gone" or "what bus posessions did you collect" or "do you think sbst and smrt future routes will all be express ones" or "if you were a BC, which interchange/terminal would you avoid" or "which is your favourite bus captain uniform" etc....you get the idea.

ALL topics which are subjective, and based on one's experiences, opinions and reflections.

no one has complained about all these topics.

no one has problems with my thread- except you.
it has not caused any disagreement with anyone else- except you.
no one has problems with other people voicing their opinions- except you.

you cannot stand the idea that other people have opinions too.

different people are going to say different things. different people are going to have different opinions.

perhaps you should refrain from contributing to this public bus forum in the future. or perhaps you should just stay away from this thread.

i am not "satisfying my desire" here hahaha!! i am posting a new thread and inviting opinions.

i have not 'brewed any trouble'. you are the one who has trouble with the people here, and what they have to say.

i am interested in opinions, that's why i am in a public forum. you are obviously not, so you should probably stay away (or change to a new nick to avoid contempt here.)

as far as i can see, you are just digging yourself into a bigger hole the more illogical your retorts become.

and so, UNTIL u can:

change your attitude, tell right from wrong, respect other people, get along with others, demonstrate you are capable of being friendly.......

sayonara to you!!

gohby SG

Lovely,silverkris. Perhaps, i shall sepak up from PJ_quek’s point of view. As long as anyone’s opinion is sensible (Which I feel PJ_Quek’s is), anyone is free to voice them out. In this case, PJ_Quek didnt say anything that is not decent or of inapporpiate content, thus, I dont see the need to be belligerent to him. If you cant stand his completely legitimate opinions, just ignore him and get on with your life, because, it doesnt help at all to insult him in such a manner.

gohby SG

502 could be reverted back to Hougang/Sengkang area and be converted to a trunk serivce, which i think would solve the problem for lack of connection from Hougang/Serangoon/Sengkang area to Somerset area.

SBS Transit can also consider deploying DDs on 162 as it is packed to the brim sometimes.

bendy2003 SG

What is wrong with you, Zilchster? Rolling Eyes

bendy2003 SG

I think 502 can further extend north to Punggol.

Zilchster SG

Silverkris, please use some sense.

This is wat u said

That's why we have topics like "Memorable bus rides" or "you prefer sbst or smrt" or "where have all the passengers gone" or "what bus posessions did you collect" or "do you think sbst and smrt future routes will all be express ones" or "if you were a BC, which interchange/terminal would you avoid" or "which is your favourite bus captain uniform" etc....you get the idea.

ALL topics which are subjective, and based on one's experiences, opinions and reflections.

When you have topics like You prefer this or that, Which interchange/terminal you avoid and blah...by asking people to pick a preference there will be a tendency to lead to a quarrel...i'm just pointing this out...seriously...at the end of the day you are the troublemaker who starts topics like this. I would advise you to stay way because if you are going to start more opinion topics which might cause debates and subsequently veer off into arguments, you are not definitely not welcome. As I said you wanna invite opinions do it in the private. Period. Why can't you do that then?

And you can't speak for me Silverkris, you are not me. You cannot say that I cannot stand the fact that people have opinions.

Let me ask you how useful are your contribution Silverkris? What help have you been? Have you provided any information or anything of this kind? Ask yourself.

As for PJ Quek suggestion let me shoot it down from the business point of view. Maybe you think I buy what SBS Transit has to say or what. But from the business sense, PJ Quek doesn't make any sense. The whole idea of network rationalisation in the NE corridor is to prevent duplication (yes yes 502 hardly duplicates the NEL) but the whole idea is for commuters to use the NEL...the NEL has yet to break even...and it's definitely not in good business to duplicate resources and end up in a lose-lose situation for a company. Of course I would like 502 reinstated...it was a very convenient service for me. But if you look at the bigger picture or in the business sense...if people dun break the habit of using the NEL...the under-utilisation of the NEL would cause SBS Transit to lose $$...they have to account to shareholders...and I am sure you know most businesses have to make a profit...if losses are mounting...the only way to do is to raise fares. Then we grumble and curse.

Express 502 was definitely quite a cash-cow for SBS Transit...unwilling they may be in shortening the route, they had to for the sake of reducing losses.

Of course different parties have their own different interests...commuters want convenience...companies want profits...firstly try to see the forest or the big picture.

What PJ Quek say is suggesting is from an own personal interests. 502 was my direct bus from Orchard. I am not grumbling or what. It's a matter of taking an alternative...as for no connections between Hg/SK/S'goon to Orc...use the NEL.

Hg Ave 8 is not an exclusive area that 502 must serve. There are other populous areas in HG as well.

WindyDay SG

Wah silverkris didi..long time no see you appear out of the blue and give a good reply! How did your exam results go? Laughing

Zilchster is very strange horsenior member some more (!!)

He appears unaware this is a forum where people are ALLOWED to have different thoughts on the same subject. Maybe he is influenced by school too much.he can only accept one model answer (his own).

So many 'opinion threads' here but no one is quarrelling except him. In addition, no one has any sense, unless they agree with him.

Silverkris, please use some sense..........PJ Quek doesn't make any sense........

Mr. Green

I think people can tell who is being reasonable here, and who is being unreasonable. The best solution is to ignore his silly retorts and move on. Otherwise this will have no end. O.K. everyone DO NOT RESPOND further.

I hope PJ_Quek hasnt been intimidated though. Embarassed

My two cents worth on service 16:

Service 16 seems to have more than its fair share of controversies. Many were unhappy when it took over the route of 390 to the airport. Some complained when 36 was introduced from Bukit Merah later, and now 36 has taken over roughly the same route of the former 390, and operates a similar route as 16 from town.

Perhaps the routes of 16 and 36 can be amended to become complementary, so that 16 can use DDs? i.e. avoiding narrow lanes and height gantries.

Not too sure if it'll work. Just my take on the subject.

To digress a little, I remember the good old days (ok I am older than most here) when many interchanges had specific services that served Orchard Road.
168 Ang Mo Kio- Orchard Road
140 Toa Payoh- Orchard Road
23 Tampines- Orchard Road

Things were less complicated then. (but of course smaller population, no mrt)

Zilchster SG

Period...I am not going to comment on this thread further. Dao4 Bu4 Tong2 Bu4 Xiang1 Wei2 Mou2.

Anyway to whoever I owe an apology, Sorry.

Anyway I don't mean anything bad with 'What is wrong with you?'

And hopefully opinion threads could be kept to a bare minimal.

NineGrains SG

(WindyDay, sorry, i have to break the ban from responding)

It's hilarious how one, short of reason and logical rebuttals, has to quickly seize on one word "didi", talk about 'family relationships' and kick up a big fuss- actually one whole paragraph!

Next time, if i know someone younger than I am, I better not be friendly and address him as 'didi' or 'meimei' . hahahaha

He also has a brand new insult for anyone who disagrees with him:

There are better things to do than talking to crows...

Just had to get my LAST few lines in since I was the first one to point out basic etiquette to Zilchster. I will *try* to obey the ban from now on- even if Zilchster responds Cool

gohby SG

Apparently after all these you still dont get the simple rationale at what we are driving at.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with opinion threads, as long as it is not crappy and nonsensical statements. Therefore, I dont think opinion threads should be kept bare minimal. Once again, if you cant relate to what the other person is saying, then back off instead of passing harsh and crude remarks. Why cant you face different opinions in an amicable manner? No one here is a crow, and you by doing this, is disgracing yourself even further. Please, stop being so impulsive, can you? Wink

gohby SG

PERIOD

Zilchster SG

Whatever.

Acx1688 SG

True True but realli hope 2 c DD on sv16. In HK, if u take NWFB sv15 to the Peak, the road is windy & narrow & the drivers SPEED! but then again, this is singapore...

Acx1688 SG

Originally posted by NineGrains:

my number one grouse is bus 16. since it no longer terminates at changi airport pt, is it possible for the service to use DDs?
i have not taken the bus right to the end, and am unfamiliar with the terminal there.

i do not think the roads are too narrow for DDs with the route it plys.
there is always difficulty boarding the bus from orchard road, since it brings passengers to the east quickly, compared to say 14 or 7.[/b]

sv16 is a loop service at Siglap Rd, so no bus terminal...
The roads are not narrow but there are a lot of inconsiderate drivers along Joo Chiat Rd who double park on the roads...
btw besides sv7,14,16, there is sv36 to get to the east[quicker Wink ]

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