Improvements to Orchard Road Bus Services

last SG · 2004-12-30T12:38:56+00:00

Buddy, i dun think there will be a direct link fr Orc to Hgn Ave 8 as SBST will probably will use this," due to the rationalisation of services in conjunctio...

Acx1688 SG

i notice there's a heavy jam too. It's has to do with the layout of the junction. If you notice the junction where there's a overhanging traffic light. The kerb which this traffic lamp post is the cause of everything! if LTA just remove this kerb and move the traffic lamp post inner, the whole lane can be utilised! Buses need not be stuck at the junction[somerset & grange rd]. If you guys do drop by there, you will notice what i am saying

Acx1688 SG

I think DDs should only be deployed during peak hrs coz most of the time it's not packed. gohby,can you take down the timings and days when sv162 is crowded to the brim, then write to tell SBST about it so that there can take action by either increasing frequency during that period or adding a DD or two. if not, SBST will just reply "the service just not justify the deployment of DD, however we will monitor the situation and adjust the sv fleet accordingly."

Acx1688 SG

My two cents worth on service 16:

Service 16 seems to have more than its fair share of controversies. Many were unhappy when it took over the route of 390 to the airport. Some complained when 36 was introduced from Bukit Merah later, and now 36 has taken over roughly the same route of the former 390, and operates a similar route as 16 from town.

Perhaps the routes of 16 and 36 can be amended to become complementary, so that 16 can use DDs? i.e. avoiding narrow lanes and height gantries.

Not too sure if it'll work. Just my take on the subject.

Things were less complicated then. (but of course smaller population, no mrt)
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Eh, sv36 was not introduced from Bukit Merah, it's a loop between Changi Airport and Tomlinson Rd[loop service].
sv36 and sv16 serves different segments of the East side although their routes are complimentary along Orchard Rd and there is a demand for the different routes. Both svs cant use DD cause of height restrictions at Changi Airport & Stadium Rd/Nicoll Highway Tunnel so chances are slim...

smrt_950 SG

Woodlands is seriously lacking in a bus link to Orchard Rd, simply because of the MRT. I may still have direct link 95x if not for the MRT, but what's done can't be undone. But that aside, sometimes, it's kinda tough having the same operator operating both trains and buses to major places. Even the slightest duplication cannot be passed. Crying or Very sad

WindyDay SG

To Acx1688,

Eh, sv36 was not introduced from Bukit Merah, it's a loop between Changi Airport and Tomlinson Rd[loop service].
sv36 and sv16 serves different segments of the East side although their routes are complimentary along Orchard Rd and there is a demand for the different routes. Both svs cant use DD cause of height restrictions at Changi Airport & Stadium Rd/Nicoll Highway Tunnel so chances are slim...

Someone messaged me privately just now and pointed out this paragraph written by tranquilice on 12 February 2004:

Service 16 "originally" operated between Bt Merah and Marine Parade. In 1993, services 31 (Tampines - Stadium Blvd) and 149 (Toa Payoh - Changi Airport) were merged. As a result, service 16 was extended to the airport to cover service 149 route from Marine Parade to the airport. Service 390 (Changi Airport - Tomlinson Rd) was withdrawn with service 16 as the alternative service. However, soon, service 390 passengers were complaining that with the amendment, they had to take service 16 to the airport which resulted in a longer travelling time. The press published the complaint and this "forced" SBST to introduce one-directional-peak-hours service 16E (Semi-express between Bt Merah - Changi Airport) not long after, which plied express along ECP, Rochor Rd/Ophir Rd, Beach Rd between the airport and City Hall MRT. In Dec 1997, service 16E was re-numbered service 36 with route and operating hours un-changed. Then in Sep 1998, service 36 route was amended to become the route today and changed its operation hours to a full day service, and service 16 route was shortened to Marine Parade on the same day.

Service 36 did ply Bt Merah - Changi Airport from Dec 1997 to Sep 1998. During that period, it duplicated service 16 between Bt Merah interchange and Stamford Rd/Bras Basah Rd during the peak hours. Before Dec 1997, service 36 is numbered service 16E.

For more information on service 36 (Bt Merah - Changi Airport), please check the 1998 Transitlink guide.

Actually I am a bit stunned that: 1. tranquilice knows his bus history like no one's business; and 2. that this "someone" (who prefers not to be named) can point out a paragraph that was written 10 months ago! Laughing

I remember taking Svc 36 from Bukit Merah, but I am quite certain I wouldn't be able to recount the entangled history of 16/16E/36/390. Perhaps someone brought up this subject eons ago.

iveco SG

Svc 23 offered a faster connection to Orchard area. Express from Tampines Ave 5 to Bendemeer. Then kena cut short to Rochor Canal due to EWL rationalisation. But still gotta change trains. Also, Svc 65 winds its way through MacPherson and BDK Reservoir areas, so it can be rather time-consuming.

Still remember Svc 850 (YIS-BMR). The current 162 can't quite compensate for the loss of the former.

Acx1688 SG

Huh?!

I noe of the bad blood between sv390 and sv16E, but i tot sv36 was introduced to replace sv16E without going to Bukit Merah but looping at Tomlinson Rd[smething like sv390]? Shocked Yikes

tranquilice SG

To summarise in short:

1993: Service 16 extended from Marine Parade terminal to Changi Airport PTB, to cover part of ex service 149 route. Service 390 withdrawn with service 16 as the replacement service.

Jan 1994: Service 16E introduced as peak-hours one-directional service (Bt Merah - Changi Airport), after receiving feedbacks from the public.

Dec 1997: Service 16E renumbered service 36 under a renumbering exercise, with route and operation hours unchanged. A total of 3 services were renumbered in this exercise, with the others 2 services being M1 to 92 and M2 to 42.

Sep 1998: Service 36 amended to become Changi Airport - Tomlinson Rd loop service operating on a whole-day schedule. Service 16 shortened from Changi Airport PTB to Marine Parade terminal.

tranquilice SG

The renumbering of service 16E "created" service 36. And both did terminate at Bt Merah interchange (service 16E from introduction in Jan 1994 to renumbering day in Dec 1997, and service 36 from renumbering day in Dec 1997 to the day of amendment in Sep 1998.).

tanjun SG

I live in the Serangoon North area. Bus service 502 was the only bus in 1999 that went to Orchard Road. Later in 2003, after the rationalisation of bus services due to NEL, bus 502 no longer ply the serangoon area. Besides that, before the NEL, bus services 111, 85 and 106 went to Orchard Road from the Hougang and Serangoon and the Sengkang area. Since the NEL is built, sigh, these three bus services are all affected.

I sincerely hope that there is a bus service that goes from Orchard Road to Serangoon, Hougang, Sengkang or even Punggol areas.

By the way, bus service 89 does not go to Orchard Road as in 2nd of January 2005. It goes to Changi Airport Cargo Complex via Pasir Ris and Sengkang areas.

Acx1688 SG

Thanks for clearing up my doubts Very Happy

tranquilice SG

You are referring to Nite Owl service 89M. Why it is called 89M is because both services 89 and 89M have almost the same route from Hougang Ave 10 to Pasir Ris Dr 1 (only difference is service 89 plies Compassvale Rd while service 89M plies Rivervale Dr).

tranquilice SG

Wink

ipodee SG

[quote]Originally posted by SilverKris:
[b]How can bus services to Orchard Road be improved?

As one of Singapore's prime stretch of real estate, it suffers from constant traffic jams especially on weekends and public holidays. ERP has not lessened the number of cars, taxis that compete with public buses for road space.

Are bus services to Orchard Road well-utilized? Are the bus routes well-planned? What areas of improvements can you think of?

Some bus services which serve Orchard/Scotts Road:
7 14 16 36 54 65 89 105 111 123 124 132 143 162 167 174 190 502 518 700 C1.

111 shd merge with 36 => Changi Airport - Ghim Moh
171 shd be shortened to between Yishun - Upp Bt Timah. Theer are other alterntives to Marina Ctr from there.

kenny_cai SG

Unfortunately, no bus services from Jurong East (I won’t count 502, as the fares are way too expensive). I was hoping for a service from Jurong East that can serve Holland Road and Orchard Road, and providing links to other bus services around. (Check my Service 150 request in my thread for more info)

pkcheah100 SG

Yeah I agree....Restore 132 to the former route....

Acx1688 SG

sv111 should not merge with sv36 coz it's a replacement for sv390[extinct]
sv111 & sv36 all have their respective commuters and it will wreak havoc on the schedules. btw sv111 is DD, if extended to Changi Airport, it will all be SD!
CANNOT!

sv171 should not be shortened to Upp Bukit Timah coz it's the only bus to Bukit Timah, Upp Bukit Timah from Town [ignore sv174 please] from Scotts Rd and Bukit Timah up to Farrer Rd junction

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