Tcmc,
1. Since when did I ask you to prove that miracles in the Bible
happened? I am only asking you to prove the claim that it is
empirically possible to prove that miracles happened. And if so,
provide the methodology. Until now you still FAIL to do so.
2. I see that humble Christians are those who agree with you.
What a self-serving definition of humility!
3. How am I twisting anything? You said that miracles can be
empirically proven. I asked you how. You cannot answer me and now
you are blaming me for your failure? Please don't try to
divert things here. You demand for empirical proof that miracles
happened. I am asking you to first prove the claim that there are
empirical methods for proving such things. Do you not know that the
scientific method is the empirical method? Looks like you don't
know anything at all! Tell me what other method is empirical
besides the scientific method. You tell me and I sure provide you
the proof you demand.
4. Yes, the one who makes the claim prove the claim. So since
you make the claim that empirical methods can prove that miracles
happened, I am asking you to prove that claim. Why can't you do
that? Tell me you are denying that empirical methods can prove
miracles and I will not push this point and embarass you
further.
5. Isaac Newton used the scientific method to prove gravity. I
have no quarrel with that at all. I will use the scientific method
to prove a scientific claim. But now we are talking HISTORY,
whether something happened before. So tell me again, what accepted
empirical methodology do you have in mind that can be used to prove
that miracles happened 2000 years ago? How come you still cannot
give me a simple answer to a simple question?
6. For the record I say it again. You show me how miracles can
be proven by empirical means and I will show you that the miracles
happened. Until now you FAILED to rise up to the challenge. I am
willing to shoulder the burden of proof. I am NOT asking you to
prove the miracles in the Bible so don't be so defensive and
scared. I am only asking you if you know of any empirical way to
prove that miracles happened. If you don't know, then how are
you going to assess anything?
BIC
1. I emphasize again. No one goes around asking for a
methodology to prove his own claims. If he claimed something, then
he must have a methodology to prove it. If I claim a fairy talked
to me and turned my teapot into a pumpkin, do I ask you to give me
a methodology to prove it? Answer me. You're ridiculous!
2. No. You didnt read again. How lazy! They believe miracles
happen but with no evidence, only by faith. I dont believe in
miracles. Yet we can resolve our differences nicely because they
can come to terms that they cant prove it. We dont agree with each
other but yet these christians know there isnt any evidence for
miracles.
3. So you're also saying, miracles cant be proved empirically,
which means there's no evidence! then why dont you just admit it
instead of asking me to provide you with another methodology? And
in any case, you should be the one finding another method to prove
if you cant do it empirically, not me. It's always the claimant
job, dear creationist.
4. Same as 3. If you cant prove it empirically, then find
another method. And if you cant find another method, then admit
theres no evidence instead of pushing the responsibility to the
person who asked you to prove your claim. That is just
irresponsible.
5. Again, if empirically, you cant prove the miracles or you
cant reproduce them, then use another method. And if you dont have
any method, then admit that right now, there is no evidence for
miracles in the bible. Simples as ABC. You only look irresponsible
and incoherent when you push the proving job to another person when
you were the one who made the claim.