Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross

last SG · 2011-12-07T15:08:38+00:00

Tcmc,1. And I shall again emphasize this. You demand for empirical proofs that miracles happened 2000 years ago. You claimed, at the very least, that miracle...

sgdiehard SG

sgdiehard,

It's ok lah.

At least we can agree on one point - Both of us do agree that Mormons are christians too!

Cheers!

The fundamentals is very important, there is a God, if not, then to be Christian is meaningless, where mormons are christians or non christians is also meaningless..

cheers!

Demon Bane SG

Is it important to know all tech aspect of the DVD player (who made it, how it works technically etc.) or just learn how to use it? Which is more important? The different brands of DVD players are like our chosen religions....

BroInChrist SG

Your question begs the question in equating religions with DVD players. Anyway, for some people it is important, but for some people it is not important. But no one disagree that the DVD player is the product of intelligent design. Yet life is many times much more complex than the DVD player and you have atheists believe it came about by chance? Does not compute at all.

Tcmc SG

Sure I can aagrree with you partly that all things complex could have been created.

But then when it comes to your God/Goddess who is so much more complex, you apply special pleading and say that the logic of "creaor-creation" does not apply anymore.

Seriously?

You say "OH YEA everything complex MUST HAVE A CREATOR"

I ask "Erm, so how about your God/Goddess who is so much more complex?"

You say "OH no need for creator because God is the creator!"

See a blatent fallacy?

Demon Bane SG

Hahaha! Just some points of my tots....btw, I dun think the universe happen by chance....neither do I believe there's a "grand design".... I think the universe is "eternal" in function....before this universe, there was another universe...etc.

Jacky Woo SG

put it another way round, you cannot fathom the idea that God does exist and there will be a judgement, and there will be heaven and hell, you will have to face all the consequences for what you do and don't do. ask Christian what do they think of your replies.

I attack or you attack?

It is alright you don't believe in God, as far as I am concerned. But you want to attack, don't say we are zealots who are defending, and then say you need to justify an attack.

well the world has believed in god for the past 2 millennium until science has proven its fallacy. we now know that rain and disasters are not acts of god.

Tcmc SG

well the world has believed in god for the past 2 millennium until science has proven its fallacy. we now know that rain and disasters are not acts of god.

Sadly,

BIC still believes that sin causes disasters and that disasters happen because people are sinful.

It is plain superstition.

Many of my christian friends already know that disasters are not caused by sin/God. Yet BIC still lives in that era.

Jacky Woo SG

Sadly,

BIC still believes that sin causes disasters and that disasters happen because people are sinful.

It is plain superstition.

Many of my christian friends already know that disasters are not caused by sin/God. Yet BIC still lives in that era.

I only know eating chocolate is sinful but why is it a sin, when it is enjoyment of the senses. he is an extremist living in the xtian paradigm. his world view is nothing but xtian beliefs, even when science proves otherwise. but its not his fault though, cos he is trapped in his own paradigm. it has been like this for the past 2 millenniums. but you did get out of it dun u. better be late then never to see the light.

Tcmc SG

Thank goodness many of my Christian friends are not like him.

At least my christian friends know disasters are caused by air currents/tetonic movements.

But BIC told me disasters are caused by sinfulness of mankind.......

-.-

Demon Bane SG

So Jacky Woo, are u an Atheist too? What's your religion ?

Jacky Woo SG

So Jacky Woo, are u an Atheist too? What's your religion ?

these are just labels, labels are not important. I am only temporary in this planet.

I do not have a religion. define religion. religion is the praying or worshipping of god or the systemic beliefs in a god. by this definition, you think I have a religion?

Demon Bane SG

these are just labels, labels are not important. I am only temporary in this planet.

Good ! A free-thinker perhaps?

Jacky Woo SG

Good ! A free-thinker perhaps?

I dunno, whatever lol. as I said, labels are not important. what is important are my world views correct and rational.

Demon Bane SG

I dunno, whatever lol. as I said, labels are not important. what is important are my world views correct and rational.

Actually buddhism did mentioned about "labels" and how they clouded the minds...

Demon Bane SG

Thank goodness many of my Christian friends are not like him.

At least my christian friends know disasters are caused by air currents/tetonic movements.

But BIC told me disasters are caused by sinfulness of mankind.......

-.-

I think there are many kinds of christians, just like there are many kinds of buddhists....they usually dun agree to each other ... even within the same religion....there are different schools of thoughts....hence different sects....

Jacky Woo SG

well thats normal. it has to be the interpretations by the different schools or sects after 2 millenniums. you will see cults developing from these beliefs later on, an offshoot. and claiming to be part of the community.

Tcmc SG

But the problem arises when the different groups all say that "an allknowing god told them that they are right".

So every one with a different interpretation ALL CLAIMS that god is guiding them, and yet all their interpretations counter each other. Then the question is : WHo is god guiding and how to tell?

At least buddhists dont say "buddha say this" and "buddha say that" and buddhists dont say buddha is allknwoing too. So there is no problem if buddhists believe in different things.

Problem arises WHEN people in the same group believe in different things AND all of them claim that THE SAME supreme being told them they are correct.

You get me?

Demon Bane SG

My presbyterian frens dun agree with my charismatic frens....my tibetan buddhism frens dun agree with my pureland buddhism frens....but each have their own miracles....its wonderful to have so many choices... and many different viewpoints....

Jacky Woo SG

just ignore them. but tell them this, you are entitled to your own opinions.

Demon Bane SG

But the problem arises when the different groups all say that "an allknowing god told them that they are right".

So every one with a different interpretation ALL CLAIMS that god is guiding them, and yet all their interpretations counter each other. Then the question is : WHo is god guiding and how to tell?

At least buddhists dont say "buddha say this" and "buddha say that" and buddhists dont say buddha is allknwoing too. So there is no problem if buddhists believe in different things.

Problem arises WHEN people in the same group believe in different things AND all of them claim that THE SAME supreme being told them they are correct.

You get me?

If we are looking for answers, its about religion....not faith....I think faith is more important than religion...definitions are or can be different .... but faith is the one that allow miracles to happen, in any chosen religion...

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