Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross

last SG · 2011-12-07T15:08:38+00:00

Tcmc,1. And I shall again emphasize this. You demand for empirical proofs that miracles happened 2000 years ago. You claimed, at the very least, that miracle...

Demon Bane SG

just ignore them. but tell them this, you are entitled to your own opinions.

Of coz....its afterall religious freedom in Singapore ! Hahaha!

Tcmc SG

If we are looking for answers, its about religion....not faith....I think faith is more important than religion...definitions are or can be different .... but faith is the one that allow miracles to happen, in any chosen religion...

Demon BAne

I think you dont get it.

Let me simplify it for you.

Christian A says "God has guided me and impressed upon me that baptism is required for salvation"

Christian B says "God has guided me and impressed upon me that baptism ISN'T required for salvation"

Now. Both christians believe in the same God but obviously either

1) This same God is telling both christians different things

2) One of the christians is correct and is guided by God

For buddhists, this problem does not arise because there is no supreme being who Knows all

Demon Bane SG

Demon BAne

I think you dont get it.

Let me simplify it for you.

Christian A says "God has guided me and impressed upon me that baptism is required for salvation"

Christian B says "God has guided me and impressed upon me that baptism ISN'T required for salvation"

Now. Both christians believe in the same God but obviously either

1) This same God is telling both christians different things

2) One of the christians is correct and is guided by God

For buddhists, this problem does not arise because there is no supreme being who Knows all

In buddhism, our own actions and thinking and perception determines the outcome of our lives...or reality. Due to the laws of cause and effect....

Jacky Woo SG

Demon BAne

I think you dont get it.

Let me simplify it for you.

Christian A says "God has guided me and impressed upon me that baptism is required for salvation"

Christian B says "God has guided me and impressed upon me that baptism ISN'T required for salvation"

Now. Both christians believe in the same God but obviously either

1) This same God is telling both christians different things

2) One of the christians is correct and is guided by God

For buddhists, this problem does not arise because there is no supreme being who Knows all

yes there are no commandments in Buddhism. even the precepts are voluntary. the Buddha say you can try and test it out, dun believe and accept in anything you are taught because of teacher, tradition, holy books etc.

buddhism is unlike god religions beliefs

there are no self or soul

no supreme god being

cause and condition and dependent origination. nothing arose from being independent.

salvation is obtainable by self.

that is why buddhism is more receptive and readily accepted. Buddha did not claim his teachings are the truth and all other religions false.

Demon Bane SG

buddhism is unlike god religions beliefs

there are no self or soul

no supreme god being

cause and condition and dependent origination. nothing arose from being independent.

salvation is obtainable by self.

that is why buddhism is more receptive and readily accepted. Buddha did not claim his teachings are the truth and all other religions false.

If that's so, why are u not a buddhist?

Jacky Woo SG

If that's so, why are u not a buddhist?

its just a label. labels are not important.

Demon Bane SG

its just a label. labels are not important.

Hahaha! I get what u mean....

BroInChrist SG

Sure I can aagrree with you partly that all things complex could have been created.

But then when it comes to your God/Goddess who is so much more complex, you apply special pleading and say that the logic of "creaor-creation" does not apply anymore.

Seriously?

You say "OH YEA everything complex MUST HAVE A CREATOR"

I ask "Erm, so how about your God/Goddess who is so much more complex?"

You say "OH no need for creator because God is the creator!"

See a blatent fallacy?

Tcmc,

Since when did I say "OH YEA everything complex MUST HAVE A CREATOR"?

You said God is also complex and thus needs a creator too. You are basically blindly regurgitating what Dawkins said. This was already refuted and had you really been such a competent defender of the young earth view and spent some time searching the answer at Creation.com instead of whining about it being a Christian website! And mind you I think I quoted this article before but you apparently and blissfully went lalalalala over it! http://creation.com/who-designed-the-designer-the-old-who-created-god-canard-revisited

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Since when did I say "OH YEA everything complex MUST HAVE A CREATOR"?

BIC

So by making a simple statement of "God is eternal and needs no creator", then automatically you guys are right and "God needs no creator" becomes a fact?

BroInChrist SG

Hahaha! Just some points of my tots....btw, I dun think the universe happen by chance....neither do I believe there's a "grand design".... I think the universe is "eternal" in function....before this universe, there was another universe...etc.

Well, the law of the excluded middle applies. Either this universe happened by chance or it was created. Is there a middle option anywhere? If so, can you articulate it? You entertain the idea that there was a universe before this and so on and so forth. But in this case you are entertaining the idea that matter is eternal. But this goes against all the science and established scientific laws we know today. At least I think a plus to the Biblical worldview is that it does not goes against any known law of nature discovered by science.

Jacky Woo SG

BIC

So by making a simple statement of "God is eternal and needs no creator", then automatically you guys are right and "God needs no creator" becomes a fact?

the universe has no need for a god or creator. google it.

BroInChrist SG

BIC

So by making a simple statement of "God is eternal and needs no creator", then automatically you guys are right and "God needs no creator" becomes a fact?

At the very least it completely demolishes your strawman canard! Sorry dude, no special pleading for you please. Fault the logic if you can.

BroInChrist SG

the universe has no need for a god or creator. google it.

Says who?

BroInChrist SG

Sadly,

BIC still believes that sin causes disasters and that disasters happen because people are sinful.

It is plain superstition.

Many of my christian friends already know that disasters are not caused by sin/God. Yet BIC still lives in that era.

Tcmc is still bashing strawman arguments and caricaturing my beliefs. When will you represent my beliefs correctly?

Jacky Woo SG

god concept has been around for at least 5000 years, as Hinduism is around that. xtian 2011 and Islam about there. modern science has been around for 100 years or thereabouts, so it is not readily accepted by these people, because if this is so, all their beliefs will be reduced to ruins and fraud. so they rather chose to believe there is a god and will defend it what you call blind faith.

BroInChrist SG

I dunno, whatever lol. as I said, labels are not important. what is important are my world views correct and rational.

Please articulate your worldviews for us to assess its correctness and rationality.

Tcmc SG

At the very least it completely demolishes your strawman canard! Sorry dude, no special pleading for you please. Fault the logic if you can.

Your website says "god is eternal and therefore needs no creator".

1. God is not even proven empirically. Cannot be measured, detected, compared and observed.

2. Eternity is also not a proven concept.

3. Making a statement like this does not make it a fact automatically.

TThere you go. I have shown you why the website's explanation doesnt make sense and is baseless

Demon Bane SG

What I meant was a different universe...not the same one that endured eternity....if science was correct, matter could not be created nor destroyed....

I choose to believe that the universe is "ever changing" and "eternal"...but I do not have proof to justify my beliefs...I dun need proofs...that's what faith is all about...I dun have all the correct answers...and I think that's not important....the important thing is that your religious beliefs makes u a better person....

BroInChrist SG

Polemic hot air. No need to respond to such assertions above if you do not even bother to substantiate any of your points. Yes, the idea of God has been around for a long time. Explain why people believe in God, whether in the past or till today. Believers in God comes in all forms, from the humble farmer to the those in the highest echelons of academia.

Tcmc SG

"Believers in God comes in all forms, from the humble farmer to the those in the highest echelons of academia."

Agreed.

There are many scientists/mathematicians today who believe in Allah, Lord Krishna, Jesus etc.

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