Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross

last SG · 2011-12-07T15:08:38+00:00

Tcmc,1. And I shall again emphasize this. You demand for empirical proofs that miracles happened 2000 years ago. You claimed, at the very least, that miracle...

BroInChrist SG

What I meant was a different universe...not the same one that endured eternity....if science was correct, matter could not be created nor destroyed....

I choose to believe that the universe is "ever changing" and "eternal"...but I do not have proof to justify my beliefs...I dun need proofs...that's what faith is all about...I dun have all the correct answers...and I think that's not important....the important thing is that your religious beliefs makes u a better person....

Besides scientific problems which are already formidable objections to the eternal universe idea, I think there are also philosophical problems with such an idea, not least of all is that how can one have matter that goes back to infinity and yet we have arrived at today?

BroInChrist SG

Your website says "god is eternal and therefore needs no creator".

1. God is not even proven empirically. Cannot be measured, detected, compared and observed.

2. Eternity is also not a proven concept.

3. Making a statement like this does not make it a fact automatically.

TThere you go. I have shown you why the website's explanation doesnt make sense and is baseless

Tsk tsk, please prove empirically that empicisim is true. Otherwise why should empiricism be the criteria to assess the truth of anything if it even fails its own criteria?

BroInChrist SG

"Believers in God comes in all forms, from the humble farmer to the those in the highest echelons of academia."

Agreed.

There are many scientists/mathematicians today who believe in Allah, Lord Krishna, Jesus etc.

Indeed, then the challenge for you is to provide a coherent explanation as to why belief in the supernatural realm and in gods/God persists throughout known human history. Let me guess, you are gonna give us a cool story bro?

Tcmc SG

Yes

Smoking, taking drugs and prostitution have also persisted throughout human known history.

You are gonna give us a cool story bro?

Demon Bane SG

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea." Rev 21:1

Doesn't that hint of another new universe forms when the old one ceased to exist ?

BroInChrist SG

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea." Rev 21:1

Doesn't that hint of another new universe forms when the old one ceased to exist ?

But it doesn't teach that our present universe came about because an old one ceased to exist. Remember you are coming from a worldview that says that history is cyclical whereas the Biblical worldview of history is linear. universe has a beginning and there was no universe prior. The new heavens and new earth is the eternal state that God has established after the present fallen state is done away with. The Buddhist view does not talk about a fallen world that needs to be dealt with.

Demon Bane SG

Maybe you are right....for now I still choose to believe that the universe is "eternal"....not the same one, but a totally new ones "everytime" the old one ends....Buddhism did taught about multiple universes co-existing even now this present moment....the universes are so far away from each other and are ruled by various buddhas....so I won't be surprised that Jesus has his own heaven/universe prepared for you, a righteous believer !

BroInChrist SG

It's interesting that you would say that Buddha would have taught the idea of an eternal "universe" that contains multiverses when he also taught that nothing is permanent.

Demon Bane SG

It's interesting that you would say that Buddha would have taught the idea of an eternal "universe" that contains multiverses when he also taught that nothing is permanent.

Dear BIC, the buddha taught us many things...as our minds expanded and matured, He taught new things and new methods...according to our level of understanding....

When he taught "nothing is permanent" he meant by the "eternal nature of all phenomena"....vicious cycles of birth, old age, sickness and death....even the universes are no exception....

Some people are happy with the preliminary stuffs the buddha taught, others went for advanced stuffs, some even mastered the supreme level stuffs....that's why there are so many different schools in buddhism....

BroInChrist SG

Dear BIC, the buddha taught us many things...as our minds expanded and matured, He taught new things and new methods...according to our level of understanding....

When he taught "nothing is permanent" he meant by the "eternal nature of all phenomena"....vicious cycles of birth, old age, sickness and death....even the universes are no exception....

But how can "nothing is permanent" be squared with an eternal universe? To my mind, if nothing is permanent, then it also applies to the phrase itself, and it becomes self-refuting.

Tcmc SG

But how can "nothing is permanent" be squared with an eternal universe? To my mind, if nothing is permanent, then it also applies to the phrase itself, and it becomes self-refuting.

BIC,

Since you think only "linearly", Buddhism might be too deep for you.

Demon Bane SG

But how can "nothing is permanent" be squared with an eternal universe? To my mind, if nothing is permanent, then it also applies to the phrase itself, and it becomes self-refuting.

Exactly, that's why the buddha also revealed in the Diamond Sutra....about "giving names" to everything in existence...when u label it, it becomes real and not real altogether....like u said, self-refuting....

BroInChrist SG

BIC,

Since you think only "linearly", Buddhism might be too deep for you.

Stop patronising lah. You simply treat Buddhism as false as a whole.

BroInChrist SG

But then it is precisely because something is real that we attach a label to it that reflects it substance. We call a dog a dog or give it a name "Spot" because it is a real entity.

Demon Bane SG

But then it is precisely because something is real that we attach a label to it that reflects it substance. We call a dog a dog or give it a name "Spot" because it is a real entity.

Different schools of buddhism will have different forms of buddhist practice....I won't go into detail here becos its still a christian forum....if you are interested in buddhism, maybe u can ask those experts over at the buddhism forum...

BroInChrist SG

It's OK, let's just leave it as that.

Tcmc SG

Stop patronising lah. You simply treat Buddhism as false as a whole.

Its true you think linearly and Buddhism isnt linear. So you wont comprehend it. I was like you.

And no I do not reject the whole of Buddhism.

BroInChrist SG

Its true you think linearly and Buddhism isnt linear. So you wont comprehend it. I was like you.

And no I do not reject the whole of Buddhism.

Still playing patronising games Tcmc?

And please don't drag me to your level. By my lights, some things are incomprehensible because they are just irrational. Now this may not originate from Buddhism but there is a saying about "what is the sound of one hand clapping". Is this meant to be comprehended in the first place? Nope, it is an irrational statement.

sgdiehard SG

well the world has believed in god for the past 2 millennium until science has proven its fallacy. we now know that rain and disasters are not acts of god.

Not all in the world believes in god in the past, many still didn't believe and many like you don't believe in god now. But it doesn't say anything about the existance of God.

Science has proven many things including some of the scientific theories which are now proven wrong, or the theories don't cover all the situations. Man are still discovering through scientific researches, but it hasn't proven God as a fallacy.

BroInChrist SG

Yes

Smoking, taking drugs and prostitution have also persisted throughout human known history.

You are gonna give us a cool story bro?

Nope but I'm gonna give you a Biblical (and I believe to be true) account of history. The moral failings of man as far back as known human history has its origin in the rebellion of Adam and Eve against God when they partook of the forbidden fruit from the forbidden tree that God has expressedly forbidden them to eat from. In Christian theology this is called Original Sin, i.e. we are all dead in Adam because we all inherited the sin nature of Adam.

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