Character of the Christian God

last SG · 2011-12-07T11:42:42+00:00

Nope.I am just curious about the Character of the Bible God, whether it is permissible in Christian Theology for an all-knowing, all-powerful God to "deceive...

despondent SG

yes. if its in the bible then its correct BUT only for that case...''crossing the line'' is only case-by-case basis, dun u agree? it doesnt mean all crusaders in future can do the same...

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Wrong. Don't assume that what's recorded in the Bible means it is approved or endorsed. The Bible records the many evil deeds of people, but this does not mean it approves or endorses evil. Get this right.

Thanks, tell that to despondent.

BroInChrist SG

BIC

"It is unwarranted of you to assume that this localised command should be universal across space and time. "

I get you. It's acceptable for God to wipe out Amalek babies in the OT but not acceptable in the 11th century or now.

Thanks :)

Tcmc,

Again this shows your FAILURE to study the Bible. If I said something to A, do you then assume it is for you too? The Bible says that Israel should walk round Jericho 7 times, does it mean Christians today should also do that today? Use your brain can?

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Does God not have the right to use whoever He chooses to carry out His judgement on sin? What does the Bible says about the moral condition of the Amalekites and those who should be completely annihilated? You did your "objective" Bible study so can you enlighten us here? Or do you need me to expose your ignorance on this also?

You think it's ok to take someone's life because of sin in the name of God. I dont think so and i will never support it

That's our difference. :)

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Exaclty

You're saying many things were acceptable 4000 years ago ,but now many things that they did are now unacceptable.

Thats what you're saying

BroInChrist SG

You think it's ok to take someone's life because of sin in the name of God. I dont think so and i will never support it

That's our difference. :)

Tcmc,

I believe it is OK to punish sin. We also do it in our courts of law when we punish wrongdoing. The question is in who has the authority to effect or impose that punishment. Back in the OT, God would be the one to command it. Israel cannot do it on her own terms and decision. The same with our laws. Only the judge can set the punishment, we cannot be our own vigilantes.

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

1. So essentially are you saying " it's ok to take someone's life because of sin in the name of God. "?

2. But what about the amalek babies? What wrong have they done? : (

despondent SG

tcmc,

so are u suggesting that the executioner shld be hanged for killing the criminal?

Tcmc SG

tcmc,

so are u suggesting that the executioner shld be hanged for killing the criminal?

No. Where did you infer that from? But if the executioner executes a baby, then maybe yes.

despondent SG

tcmc,

ever heard of the whole family getting killed cos one member committed a heinous crime?

BroInChrist SG

Exaclty

You're saying many things were acceptable 4000 years ago ,but now many things that they did are now unacceptable.

Thats what you're saying

Tcmc,

Nope. I am saying that there are commands given that are only meant for a specific people for a specific time for a specific purpose. Bible critics distort the Bible when they try to use such commands to prove that it should be done so today. Why do Bible critics like to use the OT but not appeal to the NT? The answer is obvious. They fail to understand the Bible as it was meant to be understood. They see God command something, and they assume that every command is universal and must be applied across space and time.

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Yes exactly, you're saying the OT commands from God are not universal truths and subject to changes in "space and time."

I agree with you.

BroInChrist SG

1. So essentially are you saying " it's ok to take someone's life because of sin in the name of God. "?

2. But what about the amalek babies? What wrong have they done? : (

Tcmc,

Are you REALLY concerned about the babies? despondent said something which you missed, that God knows all things. God knew that if the whole group was not exterminated, that they will come back and be Israel's downfall. Even today when we exterminate pests, we don't just kill those we see in our house. We kill even those we do not see, we annihilate them all. Why?

BroInChrist SG

Yes exactly, you're saying the OT commands from God are not universal truths and subject to changes in "space and time."

I agree with you.

Tcmc,

For the thousandth time, you are misrepresenting me with deceptive intent. I did not say that the OT commands from God are not universal truths. I said you need to read the Bible properly. There are universal commands and there are localised commands. Use your brain please.

Tcmc SG

tcmc,

ever heard of the whole family getting killed cos one member committed a heinous crime?

Yea heard of it. This was usually practiced in ancient civilisations when people were uneducated and and no power against the rulers

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

i get it. God knows its good to "wipe off" the babies. Sure. Babies? PestS? Ok.

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Yes localised, but not acceptable anymore today , right?

BroInChrist SG

i get it. God knows its good to "wipe off" the babies. Sure. Babies? PestS? Ok.

Tcmc,

Again we see that deceptive and wilful distortion of my posts. I never said babies are pests. Yes, and the point is that God knows all things, but you don't.

BroInChrist SG

Yes localised, but not acceptable anymore today , right?

Tcmc,

Use your brain. If a command was only meant for someone thousands of years ago, do you think you should apply it to yourself today? The prophet told Naaman to wash himself in the river, so you think anyone with leprosy should also do the same? Common sense man!

Tcmc SG

Tcmc,

Ok localised. I agree it's localised.

Can you tell me if stoning and "removing sinners by the sword using armies" are acceptable today?

And also explain why?

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