Reason/science vs Supernatural

last SG · 2009-12-09T19:04:45+00:00

Note that i did not give a quote, however the books of deuteronomy and Leviticus seems to be rife with these teachings. Precisely because of the new testamen...

Curiousitykills SG

Just curious, how come you guys can believe in someone whom you cannot comprehend?

Happyinfo2 SG

laffin

happyinfo2 is a fundamentalist in the sense of the word, no point debating with that fellow as its endless proving the existence of god. you can see the senseless comments this fellow has posted many a time. heed my word, dun waste your time dicussing such matters with these extremists. they are trapped within their own paradigm. asking them to open their mind and explore is juat a waste of effort and time. their minds are trapped, like a convict in a cell.

Extremists trapped within their own paradigm like a convict in a cell are people who stick to their views despite having no reasons to do so. Having nothing to back up their baseless claims and lies....

That really sound like you Rooney9......you are a liar as proven again and again.

Happyinfo2 SG

Thanks Rooney9 for the advice.

You are very right about his character. Very close mindedness. I worry for his next generation to be indoctrinated with a closed mind. I worry about the society with these type of people.

sincerely

laffin

laffin, be more worried abput people who make illogical conclusions and claiming to have open mind but in fact not.....

and liars saying I study the Bible but in fact did not........

and yes, take advice from a liar.........cause he is closer to your tribe.

Happyinfo2 SG

Happyinfo2

I have 3 lines for you. Hope you find them beneficial for your life journey

1) Be a sincere and truthful person and you find happiness;

2) Be open minded and you find more friends than enemies;

3) Be a curious person and keep on asking.

sincerely and the last post to you

laffin in support for REASON and EVIDENCE

Laffin,

1) Be a sincere and truthful person and you find happiness;

2) Be open minded and you find more friends than enemies;

3) Be a curious person and keep on asking.

Don't claim to be something you are not.....like study bible, open minded etc....

Be curious and look at alternative views with an open mind and heart and absorb more knowledge and understanding.....

It's ok not to agree but don't rely on misrepresented facts and liars...

Create awareness by all means but don't be a hyprocrite......like what you are doing.

and yes, the 5 years old appreciate your joke and will never forget you....laughing.....oops laffin.

HAPPY with REASON and EVIDENCE

Dawnfirstlight SG

If this world and human beings were not created, today we will not need any saviour. If someone had created us, it is only right that he save us regardless whether we are christians or not because we were brought to this world reluctantly (not our wish) by Him.Guys out there, agree with what I said?

laffin123 SG

I agree with you.

Further they created this scenario : if the men who god created do not believe in him, these people will go to hell. Even if someone stuck in a remote place, has no knowledge of god, he has to go to hell. (Not our wish also go to hell)

No logic at all. The scripture sounds like glorifying this god and this religion.

laffin "there is no hell in the first place"

Rooney9 SG

yes. if there is heavens, why bother to create earth? earth is somewhere between heaven and hell. there are never ending questions on creationist, such as how can god exist independently like emptiness? why even bother to create pests like rats, roaches, flies etc to co-exist with humans.

Rooney9 SG

That really sound like you Rooney9......you are a liar as proven again and again.

look who is talking. asking you for proof that god exists and you let on that the bible, the churches that do good are proof enough that god existed. if thats proof, thats a lame proof so to speak. proof means carbon dating, tv screen capturing the images of god and science concurring that god exists, has that happened yet? bible was written by men, and the good men of churches doing good things were men too. if these were considered as proof, then may I inform you thats not good enough evidence to substantiate it.

earlier someone mentioned that the onus is to proof that god exists and someone pointed out how can one proof if it doesnt exists. apparently someone here lack some common sense and logic. need I continue anymore?

you even have the cheek to claim that science has proved that god exist? can anyone backup this unabashedly claim? in which science journals that appeared scientists has proven that god existed, could you please quote me the name of the article and year of the journal?

Fortmax777 SG

Hi Fortmax, no offence. Let's takes this as a religion exchange of view. I believe your God does exist because Buddha said so and there will not be so many followers if He does not exist. Many of his followers are smart guys. However, your God is a loving God, He will not create a horrible place called earth. Heaven is also not the place where I wish to go because I do not wish to live all over again and live forever ( I will definitely feel bored), not even in a nice place like heaven. Whether a person feels happy or not does not depend on the environment he lives but how his heart feels. Buddhism emphasise on taking control of our hearts and feelings. Merry Christmas to you guys!

Dawnfirstlight - No offence taken happy to discuss your questions.

1. Why do you call Earth horrible. Certainly it is not perfect and its horrible only depending on which part of Earth you live on. But many such horrors are human inflicted.

2. You have not been to heaven and neither has anyone on earth. What gives you the conception that you will feel bored?? Remember you will be with God on a personal level and he will be your friend/comforter/Father. Do you know how nice heaven is? Its beyond human imagination and there is no way we can comprehend it untile we get there.

On the contrary, do you know how horrid hell is. Again its beyond human imagination. All the images of hell eg fire (for Christians), they grind you up/mash you up (for Taoists) are not even close to representing how bad that place is. I heard of someone who had a vision of hell in her dreams 1 night. Result: Cried nearly continuously for 5 mths and still recovering from shock after that - Asked by pastor to describe what she saw opened her mouth but nothing came out - Basically because there is no way of describing such horrors in the human language or expression.

Basically, it is a place describe so horrible that even if your most hated person in life were sent there you would mourn for him.

3. Think of your life as 1 mm on a ruler and compare that with the distance between Sg and New York just for scale. Well Eternity is much longer that so I hope everyone reading this does give some serious thought to after death. It will happen to all of us soon enough.

Fortmax777 SG

fortmax777,

in you reply to DawnFirstLight, you seems to overly speak up for your god, highlighting his strong points and sidelining his weak points. I am interested to find out how your god has helped you in any way ?

laffin

laffin,

I am a Christian so I will tend to speak up for God. But also God has helped me in many ways and I shall share some exaples with you. God works in many ways and helps us in many ways some not even conventional.

1) Was lost sad and lonely. Life in mess, trouble with law and very depressed seems all alone in this world. Prayed for companionship, along came my GF (now my wife for coming 10 yrs).

2) NS. Kena tekan. Emotionally weak to be away from GF. Prayed for help. Posted out of unit which tekan me and got stay out vocation.

3) ORD. Lost dunno what to do. Prayed to go o/seas to pursue degree. Went o/seas to pursur degree.

4) Start degree. Lost because 3 years no study and returned all my knowledge to my Pre-U teachers liao. Prayed for wisdom. Caught up very quickly graduated with 1st Class.

5) Graduated looking for job. No income got to support my self in menatime. This one is interesting and unconventional. Prayed for Finance. Went casino won $1000 + every week for about 2 months. By the last two weeks didn't even try. Walk into casino with $500 place first bet on anything/any game (even a stupid game like Casino Wars) win once win twice win thrice go home. - 10 mins total - $1500.

6) Got interview. decided I like job. Pray for job - employed almost immediately. After employed began losing at Casino, but got God's msg that Casino was only supplying finances temporarily. So decided to stop going regularly and focus on work and family.

7) Feel that I have a very pleasant life know with good job, working hours which allow me loads of time to enjoy family life and brilliant wife also converted when she saw my testimony. Living happily ever after for now.

Cannot really ask for anything else. Maybe would like to win lottery but won't be greedy if HE gives HE gives. If not also happy.

Dawnfirstlight SG

Hi Laffin, if I am not wrong, you are a free thinker. I was like you who thought that after a person passed away, that is the end of the story. However, the ugly truth is that it is not the case because I have some encounters which I shall not elaborate here. I hate the truth but have to face it. I have found my religion and found peace. Sincerely hope that you will find answers and peace soon.

Rooney9 SG

laffin,

1) Was lost sad and lonely. Life in mess, trouble with law and very depressed seems all alone in this world. Prayed for companionship, along came my GF (now my wife for coming 10 yrs).

2) NS. Kena tekan. Emotionally weak to be away from GF. Prayed for help. Posted out of unit which tekan me and got stay out vocation.

3) ORD. Lost dunno what to do. Prayed to go o/seas to pursue degree. Went o/seas to pursur degree.

4) Start degree. Lost because 3 years no study and returned all my knowledge to my Pre-U teachers liao. Prayed for wisdom. Caught up very quickly graduated with 1st Class.

Cannot really ask for anything else. Maybe would like to win lottery but won't be greedy if HE gives HE gives. If not also happy.

this reminds of other faiths, who go to the temple with fruits, chicken and duck and place it at the altar and then prayed that he/she can strike lottery, can improve one's fortune, have a successful marriage and so forth. the lists goes on and on. its insatiable desires that are endless. god must be busy answering to people prayers eh.

Fortmax777 SG

But in this case the prayers were really answerd and I can feel his presence sometimes when alone.

There is no simple way of explaining this feeling but to experience it for yourself. He has seen me through all the good and bad times of my life. If you are open enough, consider going to a church to learn more.

I pray that one day you will come to know this great friend as well. Have a good weekend.

Dawnfirstlight SG

I believe what you said. The reason why there are many followers in other religions is also because their followers' prayers were answered or else they will not stick to their religion. Of course there are times when your prayers did not come true, or else all christians on earth will live to ripe old age which is not happening all the time. Just to share with you, Buddhism taught us to get to the roots of the problem instead of keep praying whenever you face a problem. The roots of the problem we face got to do with our karma (cause and effect). You must be a good guy, that is why your prayers always come true. Once you understand about karma and know how to rectify or face with it, you will realise that you have less problems in life and things will go well along the way even without praying.

Rooney9 SG

But in this case the prayers were really answerd and I can feel his presence sometimes when alone.

I pray that one day you will come to know this great friend as well. Have a good weekend.

thanks for the offer, but no thanks, thanks. I will not believe in any religion that centred on a god or many gods. I rather be a free thinker and not get trapped in a paradigm or concept that is flawed from the beginning.

googoomuck SG

You mean like a Sci Fi writer John C. Wright who dared God to show Himself and had to abandon atheism when his challenge was eventually met?

Rooney9 SG

I can help him reply you. christians dun believe in karma and rebirth. all they believe is the power of their god. they believed that they will go to heaven when they die, to meet their creator and enjoy heavenly bliss forever.

Rooney9 SG

You mean like a Sci Fi writer John C. Wright who dared God to show Himself and had to abandon atheism when his challenge was eventually met?

till date, we are still awaiting for him to appear before us. why not appear in front of us to dispel the notion that god existed.

googoomuck SG

till date, we are still awaiting for him to appear before us. why not appear in front of us to dispel the notion that god existed.

Don't ask me.

You should challenge God, ridicule Him for all you want. You must face the repercussion alone when God does exist. If God does not exist, your life will not change. In my opinion, there's no harm trying.

Rooney9 SG

Don't ask me.

why do I need to challenge something that does not exists and lives in the figment of our imagination.

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