hi onmia based on this: im starting to think if its just me or i
dun knw,from what i understand about ONLY..it means there is but
one at anytime,now if dad,son,hs are all only true God.that still
makes 3 Gods(be it in one God head or not),also scriptural evidence
shows that no one(no one from my understanding means not a single
other entity besides the addressee) bsides Jehovah shares his
unique position as the true God.
Let's try it another way by having you answer a few
questions:
1. Is there only one true God ? If so, can I take it that
there cannot be any other god whether they are less powerful,
more powerful or otherwise ?
2. Based on your interpretation of the bible, is or is not
Jesus divine (a god) ?
Jesus will be lord for the 1000years from armageddon till the
final test for humanity is it not?after which he will return the
position back to Jehovah.by your token, That if Jehovah is both
Lord n God,tat will make the son both Lord n God kinda funny..it is
written that there are many lords,surely that does not make them
all God right?
I don't agree with your view of the end of the world but that's
a separate issue. I'm simply bringing your original argument
based on 1Cor8:6 to the logical conclusion. Let's reiterate what St
Paul wrote in 1Cor8:6 -
" ... yet for us there is one God,
the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist,
and one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things are and through whom we exist."
Correct me if I got it wrong but your original argument was that
just because Paul wrote that there is "... one God, the Father
...", nobody else except "the Father" can be that one God. Correct
?
Well, Paul carried on to write that there is "... one Lord,
Jesus Christ ...". Applying your same
argument, we would also conclude that nobody else except
"Jesus Christ" can be that one Lord. Right ?
Taking the above together, your argument would then lead to
the conclusion that the Father is God but not Lord; and Jesus
Christ is Lord but not God. Do you agree with this ? If not, there
must then be something wrong in the original argument that just
because Paul wrote, "... one God, the Father...", nobody else can
be God except "the Father".
I cant agree with your 1st paragraph..one thing is there is a
very big diff between mighty and almighty.satan is also a very
mighty god,in fact he is termed the god of this system of
things,this definitely does not make him the almighty God right?so
among all the mighty gods,it is therefore correct to say and give
praise to Jehovah as the one true almighty God.
as for the meaning of reflection as in oxford dictionary(thanks
for the extra info too =]),it was stated as a representative.again
from my understanding, representative and the one being represented
are 2 diff persons no? on certain nights,the moon does shine very
brightly(like 2nite),does it means that the moon actually does
gives off light on its on?or is it still the "mirror" that is
reflecting the sun's light?
the john 1:1 verse,u had said it that in actual fact,its not
only the nwt by jws, but also other translations used by churches
uses the word god for jesus and God for Jehovah,we can rule out jws
as editin the bible truth right?.
Let me get this straight. You believe that Satan is a very
mighty god ? Maybe I should ask what is your definition of god
?
In the doctrine of the Trinity, Jesus is indeed a different
person from God the Father. Remember - three Persons (the
Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit) in one true God, all
co-eternal and co-equal. But putting this aside and coming to the
term 'reflection', if I say to you that you are a true
representation/embodiment (or reflection) of a human being, does
that mean that you are not a human being ? Don't forget that the
meaning of reflection given by Oxford also has 'embody' in it. The
term 'reflection' can have slightly different meanings in different
contexts. So to be a reflection of God's glory does not
necessarily imply that Jesus is not God. In fact, it could very
well mean that he is God, just as you are a human being.
Regarding John 1:1, I have yet to come across a mainstream
church that uses your translation. That aside, which should I
follow ? Major bible translations done by credible scholars in use
by most Christian churches or a handful of 'special' translations
that hardly anyone uses except maybe Jehovah Witnesses ? I'll
let readers decide but I'll go with the former any day.
even if jesus was jus quoting the scripture like we do, and we
do not factor in that since jesus is God n he can jus say to satan,
"i have said that you shall worship me,your God n i alone u shall
render sacred service." we also have to think one very logical
point..God created all things..with what the wicked one can use to
tempt God with since all bases belong to God??eg, i m a guest in
your house, n i use say your house keys n request that u
acknowledge me as the owner of the house,would that make any
sense??
The devil did not succeed in his temptation of Jesus, did
he ? We also have to remember (and this might be something new to
readers) that Jesus took on human form when he came into this
world; he was both God and Man, having both a
divine nature and a human nature that could feel pain, hunger and
be tempted by the devil.
however, we have to see if the concept of trinity is a
consistent doctrine in the entire bible. also, for a person to be
teaching trinity is not simple.not every tom,dick or harry can do
that, it needs paper qualification to certify the person.and for
those that is being preached,not everyone is a theologian.the
masses jesus n co taught were simple people and simple words were
used.yet they understand fully and embrace God.this is not the case
now..among church goers,i dare say 99% cannot explain more about
trinity if probe further.
The concept of the Trinity is the result of reflecting
and taking into consideration everything the bible says as
well as the teachings of the apostles and their
successors in the early Church. Yes, I agree
with you that the doctrine of the Trinity is not simple and that
not many Christians have a full grasp of the doctrine - myself
included. What I've shared with you are not things that I've
thought of on my own but what I've read which I agree with and
believe to be in line with what the Catholic Church teaches (which
is important to me as a Catholic).
But just because something is complex doesn't make it untrue.
God is infinite whereas we are but finite creatures. Peter himself
commented in 2Peter3:15 that "In them (referrng to Paul's
writings) there are some things hard to understand ...".
