Part II
Innocent!! I’m against paganism and if u read properly, I was
emphatically stating a point, NOT supporting paganism in
Christianity. Just because the Trinity doctrine resembles a pagan
belief doesn’t allow a believer to reject it completely. Many other
beliefs within Christianity have been alleged to have been derived
from pagan doctrines as well (e.g. Horus parallels with Jesus).
Should we disbelieve Jesus Christ then?
In fact, I’m so against heretics that I believe that God would not
allow ungodly doctrines (as u alleged, Trinitarianism) to thrive
for millennia while allowing the supposed Arian “truth” to remain
suppressed, only for the JWs to revive it in recent centuries.
Here, I would caution against the threat of false teachings nearing
the end times WITHIN God’s flock ( Jude, Timothy).
At this point, you might be tempted to cite Jesus as an example and
allege that He was misunderstood for His time as well. But pls
remember that within 3 years, in the face of secular and religious
politics, Jesus’ teachings proved its mettle and it has spread
throughout the world since then by the works of the apostles.
Arianism has been around for ages, if it is a true doctrine, it
would have been recognized by now.
I’ll leave this to the RCC members to clarify.
For example, Hinduism (properly
understood, it’s not “triune” as u claim it to be)
“The trinity is interpreted in various forms in Hindu
philosophy. A widely accepted belief is that it represents earth, water, and
fire. The earth, or Brahma, is seen as the originator of all
life and hence is regarded as the Creator. Water is the sustainer
of life and hence is the Preserver and is represented as Vishnu.
Fire destructs life and hence is the Destroyer and is represented
as Shiva”
and
“Early western students of Hinduism were impressed by the
parallel between the Hindu trinity and that of Christianity. In
fact the parallel is not
very close, and the Hindu trinity, unlike the Holy Trinity of
Christianity, never really "caught on". All Hindu trinitarianism
tended to favor one god of the three; thus, from the context it is
clear that Kālidāsa's hymn to the Trimūrti is really addressed to
Brahmā, here looked on as the high god. The Trimūrti was in fact an
artificial growth, and had little real influence”
I don’t want to sound repetitive. Refer to above.
Because the apostles (in Acts) who understood what Jesus
(post-resurrection) taught and his mission also understood
John 4:21-24 and as John Piper understood it, “The physical
temple has ceased to be the geographic center of worship. Now
Christ himself is the center of worship. He is the “place,” the
“tent,” and the “temple” where we meet God. Therefore Christianity
has not geographic center, no Mecca, no Jerusalem.”
Modern churches … well, u know the rest of the story.
And it’s weird, but I think you’ve just indicated your support for
the use of “idols” and “statues” in churches – are there statues of
God in the church you worship at?
Think you’ve read too much into these verses and my point.
The healed leper merely “glorified” (KJV) God but no mention of
worship. Plus the modern understanding of “praise and worship” as
we would understand it now is different from those days.
The point I wanted to make was not to merge the 2 “entities” (as
you call it), but to affirm the fact that Jesus was worshipped in
this situation. As you said in your earlier post, it’s the
“action and heart” that determines the worship. And in
these verses, among others, it can easily be seen that the ex-leper
fell at Jesus’
feet and thanked
him. Can you still argue against the fact that this constituted
worship? And if Jesus was worshipped, what does that make Jesus
then?
Nah, it’s not some mysterious Trinitarian behaviour, but the
attitude of UTMOST humility (aka subordination of Christ) expressed
in Phil 2:6-9
Not quite sure what ur asking.
Another thing I would like u to consider is this: if Jesus is a
creature, means there was a time when he didn’t exist. We know God
is love (1 John). What i want to know is: can love express itself
without a subject and a context? If the non-trinitarian God was all
alone at one point in time (technically not the right term but
heck), no angels, no Jesus Christ, no Holy Spirit… how did that
aspect of love demonstrate itself without a receiver?
Also, in the non-trin worldview, if the non-trin God really loved
the world so much, why did He not come to save the world
personally, but sent another His son on his behalf? Isn’t that
cowardly and selfish?
the part about paganism is that as a true christian, one should
look out for any signs of paganism that was absorbed and being
taught.eg idols, rosaries. when i said i was disappted,it was to
mean that it had appeared to me that u didnt really cared..maybe it
was jus a miscomm.
as for ur hatred of heretics, did God also not allowed humans
and satant ample time to try out all forms of goverment
possible?did God put a complete stop yet so far?indeed,false
teaching within God's flcok is a danger..those of JW will say its
the church and vice versa.in fact only God can clarify when the end
comes.
the arianism or sth, i dont actually know about it..but since u
mentioned JWs reviving it..last i heard was that there were ard 7
mil worldwide baptised persons in JW..n the JW was mainly
suppressed not because of its scriptural teachng but bczu of their
refusal to take sides in countries.local LSL had even said that
they are the most disciplined and wall mannered denominations of
christians if not for their choice against serving NS..(i got tis
info during my pns days).it appears they are recognized by
governments jus not that popular with them.
perharps the easy way to explain trinity is to use hinduism. to
hindus, there is but one God.the different deities are but an
aspect of God so people can relate easily to the aspect they
choose.so likewise in trinity christiandom,we know father is the
true God and only true jesus the God can we ever stand b4 God the
father and he will fill us with HS the God.
the idols part i dun get it??i have no affilatations with any
church as of now.no place to worship.no idols to worship..av idols
counted??
if you are able to provide me a huge amout of money now, i too
will fall at your feet,kissing them even and thank u..does that
considered as me worshipping u?also just b4 i fall at your
feet(hope u wash them =p) i gave a loud praise to God actually to
glorify his name for sending me a person that gives me money.
we also know God is self existent.so if God is trinity,he the
father love son n hs, yet they are actually himself.does it not
make him jus another selfish person that love himself?but when
jesus is a creature,it will be in harmony of your love expressing
in context n subject. meaning, God is moved to wanna share the joy
of being alive.since only he exist,the only way to share was to
create.thus came jesus and everything else was through him and for
him.tats y jesus is also called the only be gotten son.
last paragrapgh..let the scripture answer u in that God has no
beginning nor end.also, humans' death was caused by 1 perfect
created human.in absoulute justice, wat should be on the other end
of the scale??an uncreated almighty God will be an over
kill..however, a creature being born as a perfect human would even
the scale wouldnt it?
thus in sending his only begotten son to save dust,we see the
demostration of utmost selflessness.