Regarding Closure of Eternal Hope

last SG · 2007-10-30T00:17:36+00:00

Let me clarify. Technically it is not possible to transfer the ownership fully. Believe me not, I have PM-ed Jason about this a long while back. I do not w...

BadzMaro SG

A sad end to one of the good forums in sGforums if it were to be closed down. Althought i have not posted here , i deem this forum useful and helpful.

ben1xy SG

Due to work committments, i haven't been really active these past months. But before everyone starts pointing fingers against Sillyme, do try to empathise with him. He's moving on to another phase of his life and like he mentioned, he might not have the time to moderate. Beyond this, if he feels frustrated moderating this forum and if it really causes im distress, then why shouldn't he close this forum?

For those that wish to carry on in a Christian forum, it's pretty easy to set up another one. And with the closure of EH, i'm sure the traffic there will be respectable.

Furthermore, whether or not sillyme relinquishes control to another member, i reckon it's up to him to decide.

Finally, Sillyme has put in so much effort with EH over the years. And if anything, i think we should thank him for that.

shinta SG

y not just pm jason, den ask him to make this a public forum?

pass it on to someone else to moderate lor.. can be done what.. Neutral

y is there a need to delete all threads?

Rolling Eyes

noahnoah SG

if i am still in church

i dun mind to moderate it

lol

davidche SG

TGE WON, SILLYME LOST.

AWWW............

noopi SG

i am disappointed to hear that the forum will be close
worse still the intention to delete all past threads...

the forum is for exhorting Christians
all belittling posts, just ignore them
no need to reply them and no need to get worked up and close the forum
i hope the forum will stay and managed by the right moderators

AndrewPKYap SG

The problem as I see it is that the people "defending" the faith are not up to the task.

ben1xy SG

well if he is to give it up, it is still his choice to make isn't it?

what i hope is for people to understand where he's coming from

justdoit77 SG

I think the issue is not so much about TGE, so let's refrain from name pointing.
If the owner of the forum has right to not agree on other people, so do the rest.

Hi sillyme and all
If you are a super mighty person and people don't listen to your opinion, what are you going to?
During buddha time, buddha sakyamuni's cousin Devadatta repeatedly defame him but buddha is still compassion towards Devadatta.

ben1xy SG

none of us here claim to be trained theologians. To compound this issue, our work committments have made long intense discussion difficult. Moreover, the purpose of this forum has long been stated. And if Sillyme feels that the forum has deviated from the original purpose, it's within his rights to close it.

To side track, at times, it's difficult to find middle ground in our discussions. Especially if both parties are myopic and refuse to try and understand what the other party is saying.

AndrewPKYap SG

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, theyd be happy for a while.

But february made me shiver
With every paper Id deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldnt take one more step.

I cant remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died.

So bye-bye, miss american pie.
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin whiskey and rye
Singin, this'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die.

It is always sad when things close down...

AndrewPKYap SG

It is not a matter of being trained in theology. Faith is personal. Nobody can argue against personal faith.

Theology can actually interfere with personal faith.

When I say, that the Christians are not up to the task of defending their faith, this is what I mean. That they do not understand the most basic premise of the Christan faith. That it is personal.

Instead they get carried away with the debates and the "theology" if you like.

It is like love. What reasons are you going to come up with why you love someone? It is personal! It might be stupid to love that particular person but I love him/her and so, what are you going to do about it. I know I love him/her and you can talk until the cow comes home I will still love her! It is a personal matter!

There is no need to argue and debate over why you love someone.

Similarly, in matters of Faith, if you fall into the trap of arguing and debating with people over your faith, you will lose, just as you will lose if you try to argue and debate with someone why you should or should not love someone.

Everything else in life, like work, career, relationships (how to of relationships) you debate and analyse, but not in matter of faith and matters of love.

The very act of closing this forum shows that some of the people here do not understand the most basic premise of faith. That it is a personal matter.

If you understand that you can laugh at the "nonsense" debates.

So you can read and look with amusement the debates (for or against) in this forum and declare: "It is personal! I know I love him/her and you can talk until the cow comes home I will still love her! It is a personal matter!"

AndrewPKYap SG

So, you can actually debate and enjoy it, and laugh about it and tell people, "yah you are right, it is silly issn't it? It is silly for me to believe issn't it? That is a good point you have made. I shouldn't believe, since I accept what you say makes sense, but I do! It is a personal matter."

You can put in all the effort into the debate and you can don't care if you win or lose the debate because you can always fall back on, "hahaha I am so silly to believe, but I do!"

People can give you one hundred and one reasons why you should not love someone and you can debate with them and lose and say "You are right, I shouldn't love that person. You have shown brilliantly and I agree with you why I shouldn't love that person. But should I stop loving that person because you have argued brilliantly, and I have accept your arguments why I should not love that person? Over my dead body."

AndrewPKYap SG

This then is the epitome of having a religion. This is where people draws their strenght. This is where suicide bombers get their power. You too can have the power and strenght that you see in suicide bombers, but for you, when you have the power and the strength, you use it for good instead of evil.

All good and evil comes from FAITH.

This is why I have no qualms trying to debate as brilliantly as I possibly can to argue why you shouldn't believe.

You might think that I am putting down your faith, hellooooooo, I am trying to build it up... I want you to confront why exactly you believe, by faith! Not by logic, not by evidence, not by rational thinking, by FAITH.

ben1xy SG

Must you project such a skewed view unto sillyme? We have tried to explain that part of the reasons for closure is the lack of time. If we want to keep a forum running, we have to be responsible and make sure that other Christians do not stumble, or that degradatory statements are not made, or that proper respect is given to all religions. However, if the moderators can no longer upkeep this, it might be better to close the forum. It's not about misunderstanding the premise of our faith. And i do not think it is appropriate to assume too.

With all that being said, the decision on what happens to the forum still lies with Sillyme.

ben1xy SG

I concur with most of the points you mentioned. But what happens when someone less mature in his faith stumbles. Who then will be accountable?

ben1xy SG

If that is your purpose, i applaud you. However, every individual is unique and your might work for some but not others. Some people like the stick, some prefer the carrot, no?

AndrewPKYap SG

A statement that lacks faith... you certainly are not accountable, ultimately.

AndrewPKYap SG

It is almost tantamount to saying, “Let’s destroy this universe because there is evil in it.”

AndrewPKYap SG

Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that youre in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.

I was a lonely teenage broncin buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died.

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