Romans qn

davidche SG

1Do you not know, brothersfor I am speaking to men who know the lawthat the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

4.So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we were controlled by the sinful nature,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

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I dont understand this passage. if only the sentances were in SVO form. Can any kind souls please help me 'translate'? (Or is there any stuffs out there that can help me?)

..eg..''the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies''

so the law is the main problem?

Icemoon SG

dave .. why don't you read the chinese bible? Mr. Green

davidche SG

haha good idea. never thought of that.

Icemoon SG

*diao*

Rolling Eyes

VivId CrItiQuE SG

http://www.studylight.org/com/mhc-com/view.cgi?book=ro&chapter=007

davidche SG

fristly, diao in chinese means the male sexual organ.

Then jay Chou changes the meaning to being cool.

Now, it becomes a undescribable expression....

diaoz...

The Elder SG

We are married to Christ cos we are Christ's bride and we have died to the old covenant and married to the new. We are free from the old covenant cos we died with Christ. Yes, law is the main problem cos we can't keep all the law.

the.owl SG

AND BY SPARTAN LAW…......

davidche SG

I see thank you everyone and the website.!

breytonhartge SG

the law is not the problem, it is perfect, we are the problem...

VivId CrItiQuE SG

ur rite, we're the problem, we'll nv b able to keep the law by ourselves, thats y we need Christ. Smile

Icemoon SG

brey is side-stepping the issue.

it is quite clear the apostle Paul has negative impression of the law.

davidche SG

I think paul is trying to use this concept of the law to tell us justification by faith?

breytonhartge SG

how am I side stepping the issue?

Shaul did not have a negative impression of the law, on the contrary, Shaul said that the law was Holy, and the commandment just and good... Rom 7:12

Shaul said that the law is good... Rom 7:16

Icemoon SG

At the end of the day .. if something does not break, why change it? If Windows XP is working just and good, why introduce so many patches and later introduce Vista? Laughing

It is clear there is something deficient in the system of God's law and commandments.

Read the context of Rom 7:12 from NIV:

11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

Read my emphasis in red which is hiliarious! Shaul like suaning the law liddat. Do you agree when people suan you, they will say you are very good and then they will end with .. yea right! Laughing

And the context of Rom 7:16 from NIV:

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.

Read the condition clause! Read the fine print!

The law is good ONLY WHEN you do what is right in Shaul's worldview. In his worldview, we are slaves to sin so we find it very hard to do what is right and we keep on doing what is hateful to us, i.e. live in a life of sin.

Icemoon SG

yes. his agenda is to bring across justification by faith.

he has a problem though - how to harmonize law and christ? Both are on the surface contradicting to each other.

as a result the law is compromised. note that christ is never compromised because the law shows why you need christ!

look at the whole thing from both perspective. b needs a to 'elevate' itself but the presence of b shows the deficiency of a!

see how jian4 the christian argument is? And people like Brey will tell you both are good. the law is good. christ is good. but they are missing the whole point!

when people like Brey say the law is good, always ask for the fine print!

breytonhartge SG

Actually Icy, the LAW is ALWAYS GOOD.

Yeshua never contradicted the LAW, He just showed us how to fulfill it. He showed us how to walk in the LAW of Hashem.

Icemoon SG

yea right .. the LAW is ALWAYS GOOD.

So just follow law!

Laughing

Do you realize you have not refuted my objections?

Icemoon SG

And here is my question - before Yeshua, who showed the Israelites how to walk in the LAW of Hashem?

breytonhartge SG

Hashem Himself... Mr. Green