i want go back to god

last SG · 2007-03-21T05:46:04+00:00

i don't know what you want, and if you want to go back to god, and ask him for his grace, all you need to do is pray and you mentioned that you find fau...

allentyb SG

To stupidissmart,

if you can use scientific explanation that jesus christ doesn't exist

since you are the one, who doesn't believe god exist in the first place

please explain how did, jesus christ perform all these miracle - http://www.bcbsr.com/survey/jmrcls.html

i don't have to prove anything at all, since i believe that god does exist in the first place

stupidissmart SG

do you understand the word, have faith, if you don't, so be it,

i have faith in god, and i believe in god,

its good enough

please don't attempt to throw back the question to me, as you are just replying me with question, not facts at all

Then why don't u try answering the question ? I answer almost al your questions but u never did for mine. My question show the problem of your stand. If u avoid it, then wat do u think it shows.

the burden of proving that god doesn't exist, lies in you instead!

if you said that god doesn't exist at all,

Why don't u show me wat wrongs have I committed in telling u tat the burden of proving lies on u ? I claim tat is a flying spaghetti monster. U r forced to believe in it then. Then orgres, elves, dragon, tooth fairies, santa claus, nu wa, shiva and snow white all exist too because no one can prove them wrong.

tell that to the roman catholic, christian all over the world that god doesn't exist

and they will tell you one thing

DO YOU HAVE ANY SCIENTIFIC FACT THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL

again the miracle that jesus christ has performed, is enough to prove that god exist!

Let the reader decide for themselves whose argument sounds more logical then. BTW the miracles jesus christ performed is again, from the bible. And I don't understand why do u believe in it and not the other books including scientific textbooks.

stupidissmart SG

please explain how did, jesus christ perform all these miracle

U r asking a very strange question. My answer is because he is fiction Rolling Eyes In fiction there r people who can become superman or batman or dare devil or anything u wanna imagine. U want me to list to u all the miracles superman perform ? Doesn't the many miracles of the story jesus perform make him sound more and more fictional ?

allentyb SG

i don't have to prove that you are wrong at all, since you wanted to argue with me and not prove any fact at all, you can only find faults with my statement, either you believe that god exist or not, its up to you, i never state that you are wrong at all, since you want to state that god doesn't exist so be it,

tell that to the church or the christian

and they will just jolly well tell you one thing

PROVE IT!

allentyb SG

Rolling Eyes

I even wiki jesus christ

for goodness sake, read up wiki, then argue

now you are being strange

you ask me to provide any fact and there i provide you a link

now you want to deny it

oh well

carry on with the statement which you never state any scientific fact at all

stupidissmart SG

Why do u not believe in buddha ? Or shiva, or jade emperor or monkey god etc etc ? Given by your reasoning, they r all real too since no one can prove them wrong. But u do not believe they exist otherwise u r not a christian. Why do u not believe in them instead ? The answer u give for tis will be more or less the same answer I am gonna give to u.

If I am not wrong, u r gonna avoid all this thing and go back one full circle saying "prove it prove it" etc. If u wanna me to prove, why don't u try to be even coorperative and answer the questions I asked ? Rolling Eyes

stupidissmart SG

I think more or less u r repeating the same point over and over again. I have answer the question in probably many ways but u just keep repeating the same old story. Well let the readers decide for themselves then.

allentyb SG

Rolling Eyes

you are the one who asked me to prove it, and i already provide you with the link, i hope you did read up about it

if i was to tell you now, i don't believe that buddha exist at all, and i am asking you to prove that buddha exist, can you prove me with any form of link at all, i am sure you might be able to do so,

i am just doing what you do best, throwing question back at me

at least i provide link to you

how about now! you provide me with a link that claims that jesus christ doesn't exist at all

please click on the link before, at least i have provide you with link, please be courteous enough to prove me wrong or otherwise you are just yada yada about it

this two link is enough to prove that jesus christ - the son of god exist

http://www.bcbsr.com/survey/jmrcls.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

stupidissmart SG

this two link is enough to prove that jesus christ - the son of god exist

http://www.bcbsr.com/survey/jmrcls.html

Tis is a christian website and obviously they state the bible to be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

They provide information on jesus christ but it never claim tat it is true. Why don't u write down the statement tat it say jesus is true ?

If u want links, I can give u many. Laughing

http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources derive from hearsay accounts.

http://atheistempire.wordpress.com/faith-in-jesus-christ/

As well as that I always stress that there is no proof or historical evidence of his existence and that all of the historians of the 1st century are curiously silent on the matter.

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html

About a decade ago, however, I began to reexamine the evidence for the historicity of Jesus. I was astounded at what I didn't find. In this article, I would like to show how shaky the evidence is regarding the alleged existence of a would-be messiah named Jesus.

allentyb SG

haiz

this is coming to a no end

i have state my reason and my point

and you have provide me with my link

conclusion

Fine.......... i rest my case

i don't want to insist on my point, if you already make up your mind

the only way to find out if there is a god

is when we die, till then, we will able to find out

Chin Eng SG

exactly! let the readers decide for themselves.... no need to continue with your rhetorics. If some readers that you're nuts, does it mean you are?

TS: you want to go back to God, then go back to God. Unless you have specific questions or concerns, there is really nothing to discuss, it's between you and God.

As allentyb has said: you have doubts? list them, or talk to someone who can help you. I certain hope you do not assume that all Christians do not have doubts and fully understand the Bible.

As this thread is rapidly degrading to another flame war, it shall be closed.

TS, if you wish to reopen this thread, please PM me.

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