Book Of Genesis Qustions

last SG · 2007-01-30T12:41:50+00:00

the question is: why didnt adam and eve eat the serpent Answer: they werent chinese!!

stupidissmart SG

I think the latter part of the argument is about the fruit fromt he tree of knowledge of good and evil. I was blamed to be reading literally the "knowledge of good and evil" which I take it as knowledge of good and evil. In fact the bible also claim

Genesis 3
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

So how else will u read the effect of the fruit from the tree of "knowledge of good and evil"

Icemoon SG

the fruit might be allegorical in the sense the fruit itself doesn't have the power to grant you the knowledge of good and evil.

it could be the process. God might have forseen the serpent would one day tempt the first couple.

stupidissmart SG

Genesis 3

7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Isn't the effect after eating shown in the later passage ? note the word "eyes of them were opened", similarly to the effect mentioned by the snake

Icemoon SG

Actually why didn't we ask ourselves this question.

If eating the fruit can be like God .. why didn't the serpent eat it?

Or did the serpent eat from the Tree of Life for that matter?

Icemoon SG

Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Genesis

[b]7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Isn't the effect after eating shown in the later passage ? note the word "eyes of them were opened", similarly to the effect mentioned by the snake[/b]

erm .. what's your point?

the serpent told the truth .. so? Laughing

stupidissmart SG

Maybe because adam is guarding the tree ? He is suppose to be taking care of it

stupidissmart SG

The point is the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is really a fruit tat give the knowledge of good and evil Rolling Eyes So the below point is wrong

the fruit might be allegorical in the sense the fruit itself doesn't have the power to grant you the knowledge of good and evil.

The below is answered

Better still, it will be even more benefical if we can find the insights of what this "fruit of knowledge of good and evil" really is or represents, instead of what it is not

Icemoon SG

why that tree? that tree is somehow 'taboo' to him .. why would he guard it?

stupidissmart SG

why that tree? that tree is somehow 'taboo' to him .. why would he guard it?

Tat is written in the bible. If u ask me why god ask him to take care of the garden and the particularly dangerous tre,, I find it to be stupid of god himself and one of the reason why the story is silly.

Icemoon SG

You can't differentiate whether it is because of the fruit or because of the process.

It could be because of the act of disobeying for the first time. There is a thought process, the stage of contemplation, before Eve reached for the fruit.

This stage is crucial. If you understand what's happening in that contemplation, all the confusion will clear.

I give you a clue. Abstinence. Cannot piak before you marry. Let's say you religiously follow this teaching, then one day you contemplate .. why cannot piak? Then you start giving all the excuses. And you finally piak! A precedence is set. Your mind is "corrupted". From then on, it is very hard to follow the teaching again. If there is a first time, a second time is most likely, then a third, a fourth etc.

By the way, in layman's term .. you just ate a fruit before you piak - the forbidden fruit! In chinese, we say you tou1 chi1 jin4 guo3. Wink

Icemoon SG

he was asked to take care of the garden .. other trees included.

Icemoon SG

By the way, I just gave a nice example of what may possibly be happening in the garden of eden.

The piak piak example is I come out one .. from my understanding of Judaism.

stupidissmart SG

I think tat is forced because in the bible itself it already described it a sudden miraculous event as decribed by their "eyes opened". Furthermore the name of the fruit is performing the function is described. I don't see why the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (I just described it as fruit from now on... so long to type !) is not one tat give the knowledge of good and evil. It is like saying cough medicine is not used for cough but used for watering plants ! And there is nowhere in the passage tat says the fruit is not giving wisdom nor the snake is lying.

For your piak piak example. u already stated yourself tat u won't suddenly go and piak piak every girl immediately after u piak piak one. It will be a slow gradual process where u will piak piak more often. The fruit, after eating give a sudden effect. Tis is different from your example

vince69 SG

what is this knowledge of good and evil that make it so deadly?

by the way, after eating this fruit, both of them realised that they are naked, and was ashamed and they hid away from God?

are they naked before they eat this fruit? why before that not ashamed and no hidding from God? Confused

Icemoon SG

The effect is evident after you piak piak.

Just like Adam hid because he naked .. you also realize you are naked.

Oh dear .. maybe you piak second round! Laughing

stupidissmart SG

what is this knowledge of good and evil that make it so deadly?

If u ask me, god always want men to be below him and act as slaves and try all means to prevent them from excelling like the case of tower of babel. It is not deadly, it is just tat god cannot take it. Adam and eve is perfectly fine and it is only god punishment after tat to be deadly

by the way, after eating this fruit, both of them realised that they are naked, and was ashamed and they hid away from God?

are they naked before they eat this fruit? why before that not ashamed and no hidding from God?

Tat is another silly part of the story I find it laughable myself. If they hid in leaves means it is "wrong" or "evil" to be naked but god purposely want them to be naked and walk around. Does god encourage evil in tis sense ? Doesn't eating the fruit help us in preventing us from committing tis "evil" deed ?

stupidissmart SG

The effect is evident after you piak piak.

Just like Adam hid because he naked .. you also realize you are naked.

Oh dear .. maybe you piak second round!

Neh... as said the effect is not going to be sudden, and simply the process of disobeying, and not the fruit, will not make them aware they r naked. The fruit must have an effect as described in the bible

Icemoon SG

Interject a bit.

One cannot read the Eden account without doing exegesis of the original Hebrew.

Because if the account is allegorical, the translation will most likely be a mismatch. It is easier to translate a factual account than an allegorical account.

In fact the original Hebrew is quite strange in certain places. In their attempt to make the translation flow, the translators took the liberty to change the sentence structure.

When I have time, I explain the significance of the "naked" in Eden.

Once you understand the significance of "naked" (arom in Hebrew), the Eden account will be much clearer.

vince69 SG

naked = evil ????

errr... we are all born naked, does this means we are all born evil? (ok ok, unless there are people born with clothes on) Embarassed

its seems to occur to me that the first thing this eating does is to bring shame & guilt to them as in being ashamed of themselves, something that did not happen before the eating.
Another effect I observed is that before, its a close fellowship with God, now, they are hiding from God.
Before, they may be a loving couple, now they are blaming each other. Sad

vince69 SG

appretiate if you can share more on this, Thanks

« Previous Page Next Page »