husband and wife

MS SG

To a certain extend I'd agree.
But the other half that I disagree is because there will be cases whereby language barrier is a problem.

I attend a Japanese church but my wife sleeps through it. I cannot translate everytime to her and it's a chore for me to catch the message and process it before returning to her in English and if we sit next to the interpreter who's more experienced helps to translates it for her, often messes up my mind instead. The interpreter would be talking about 1,2,3,4 now but the pastor would be at 5,6,7,8 already and I'd be so confused and messed up since both language makes sense to me while I jot down notes.

But whenever possible, it'd be better that the couple goes to the same church together. So it's about helping the one who's in more need.

vince69 SG

Hi.

Yes, language could also be another issue, but then, with so many churches in singapore, wonder if its that hard to find one that suits both husband and wife comfortably (both in term of language, doctrine and teachings)?
.... * will definitely take some efforts from bothof them, I am sure...

(**** I am not trying to be intrusive, its just a sharing of idea here)
I am thinking, maybe during service you can sit separately from your wife, so she can have the benefit of sitting beside the interpreter, and you can sit further away and not be 'confused' by the interpretation, then after service, you can follow up with her and see if she can follow/understand what the pastor said over the pulpit. (just a susgestion only)
oh ... along the way, you can also teach her Japanese as well ... Very Happy

cheers

MS SG

I did think about that. But when I executed the idea, she changed her seat and came to the front with me. I don't want to pressurise her so I moved to the rear with her.

The Japanese church is a very good church and the members mostly have a hard time converting to christianity. The Japanese society is still very closed towards christianity and a miserable 2% are christians in Japan. These members have a very matured and accountable heart towards christianity.

The pastor which I respected the most is Kataoka Nobumitsu from this church. Armed with nothing but he speaks exceptionally good English, he came to Singapore with his wife and youngest daughter (a ravishing beauty haha called MAI) He was the most gentleman I have ever seen. Despite having nothing, he trusted his life to God and tried his best to encourage the members gently. He never forced people to tithe. But he always remind us to give only after we have a clear conscious that I do not have any problems with God and not blind submission. He never allowed tongues to roll without an interpreter.For these who do not come from God comes from you know what. (Anyway during all his service, I have never seen anyone jumped with tongues or funny jokes like holy laughters etc etc) He lived his life with utmost meekness that men with firey hot temper succummbs to his gentleness.

Unfortunately he was diagnosed with Pancreas Cancer. He didn't blame God but stood firm with God's words and continued to preach the gospel and sustaining his lifestyle with only foods in the boundaries of his health. He didn't buy big houses nor cars mainly because he do not want to be dogged by temptations even if he could afford it. He spent his last days praising God where he died in Tokyo couple of years ago.

Kataoka Nobumitsu is the true christian man with a great heart I have never come across in the past and probably never in the future.

Back to the topic... -> I seriously think it is impt for a couple to find the right church & all go to the same church. Bind together in the same right words and not be misled by the wrong parts of current christianity scene.

laoda99 SG

MS is japanese?

vince69 SG

Hi,

From your describtion, seems like pastor Kataoka Nobumitsu is a good moral/spiritual example for us, hopefully God will rise up more people/leaders like him.

back on the topic, seems like in the mean time, you will have to scarifice yourself for your wife's comfort then (teach her Japanese, then she can sit infront with you also Very Happy )

MS SG

It took me 4 years to get what I know. And this language really propelled me well to see God's words from 3 different perspective. If I don't understand the English, I will search the Japanese and compare both meanings. If not I will refer to some seniors. It'll take her another few years to learn. We do not have that kind of time to wait to absorb God's words.

I love my wife so as to accomodate her needs will be OK. Doesn't matter too. I will not mind going to an English oriented church for her sake.

Previously she accepted Christ and attended CHC for couple of years during the Katong days, I explained to her the differences between their teachings and the correct ones on certain issues and it convinced her to move out of CHC on her on accord. As long as the teachings are able to administer the correct faith and no language barrier, any church is fine with me. So I don't really view it as a 'sacrifice'.

Icemoon SG

I wonder do you call God 'Kamisama' in Jap. Mr. Green

MS SG

depends. some call 'kami sama', some calls 'ten no otousama'.

then prayer before closing with "i e su sama no namae de inorimasu a-men"

Some wordings different. But ultimately converted to English it's the same with what normal churches are doing now.

Icemoon SG

what is ten no otousama?

If I'm not wrong, the prayer before closing is like - Jesus-sama's name XX amen. not sure whether inorimasu means seek for help.

but how come it is i e su and not Jesus in katakana?

MS SG

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n298/arakyo/DSC00003.jpg

attached above is a photo of how a japanese bible looks like. The highlighted portion is 'I za ya 43 shyo 5 setsu' (Isaiah 43:5) The verse which brough me to christ.

Ten no otousama = heavenly father

i e su = the katakana writing of Jesus.

inori masu = pray

therefore 'i e su no namae de inorimasu' = Pray in Jesus name

Icemoon SG

Interesting. The tag which has the totally chinese words ya ge is what? James? Mr. Green

Opps .. I just realized otousama sounds like otousan .. isn't that father? If Ten is heaven or sky, then the literal translation will be heaven's father.

i e su sounds like the mandarin pronunciation of Jesus.

Interesting. Thanks for the little cultural exchange.

MS SG

masa uta (songs of songs)

(ten)______(no)__(otousama)
(Heaven)___('s)___(father - in a respectful way)

I initially tot that i e su is like chinese too. But Katakana for Jesus is I E SU. Makes me wonder whether Hebrew also sounds like that. Though I have no sources, I heard that Japanese and Chinese bible is translated from Hebrew directly.

Icemoon SG

me bad. masa uta is exactly how the chinese is written. Embarassed But hey .. those are porn songs .. very elegant meh? Will you teach your child to sing those songs? Rolling Eyes

Hebrew is Yeshua 'cos Brey always call Jesus Yeshua. Laughing

I E SU is closer to the Latin Iesus.

I dunno how to pronounce I E SU .. issit close to iie-su? If su is the mandarin su .. then it will sound like the mandarin pronunciation liao.

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