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last SG · 2006-03-20T00:02:55+00:00

SgMacross, Thanks for the explaination.

NT2 SG

bingo. Mr. Green

breytonhartge SG

First, did Yeshua ask us to celebrate His birth? Is it pleasing to Him that we celebrate His birth especiallys since the day it is so called celebrated is no where reomotely close to the date Yeshua was born and the way it is celebrated, has nothing to do with Yeshua, eg. christmas tree, santa clause, etc.

As for easter it is confused with passover and the feast of unleavened bread. It is during this feast that Yeshua rose from the dead and not easter which is the pagan festival which happens to coincide with passover.

Where in the bible does it ask us to remember Yeshua's 40 days in the desert?

In all of this, it all boils down to, whether God is pleased with us keeping all these man made festivals when we are not even keeping the feasts which have been commanded by God which we know will definitely please Him, the most important one of all being the sabbath.

It is clearly stated in the book of Leviticus that these are meant to be holy convocations, the feasts of the LORD.

Leviticus 23:3 3 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Yet man has chosen to celebrate the sabbath on sunday, which is the day of the sun and not the Lords day of rest, we do not keep the sabbath holy. There is so much research that the early church celebrated the Lord's sabbath on saturday and it was only changed in opposition to the Jews later on.

Leviticus 23:4-8 the passover and the feast of unleavened bread.

Leviticus 23:9-14, the feast of the first fruits.

Leviticus 23:15-22 the feast of weeks

Leviticus 23:23-25 the feast of trumpets

Leviticus 23:26-32 the day of atonement

Leviticus 23:33-44 the feast of tabernacles.

You may say that these are jewish feasts, but we through our faith have been adopted as abrahams seed so that we have abrahams blessings. These are the feasts of OUR God, unless we are not worshipping the same God of the Jews, who is also God of the gentiles, do you think that God would have one standard for us and another for the Jews? I do not think so because God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Honeybunz SG

Did Jesus tell us not to remember those days!??!?!

Bible doesn't mention, doesn't give us the excuse to be lazy.

breytonhartge SG

if you want to remeber those days, then by all means do so AFTER you have remebered to keep the LORD's feasts. Actually you are the ones that are being lazy because you do not keep the Lords feasts and yet still insist on keeping man made tradition. What is more important, God or man? God clearly stated in the bible that these are HIS feasts to be kept, so why are you not doing it? If you believe in God and call Him your Father, you are His child, we are citizens of Heaven, yet we do not celebrate the Lords feasts why???

Honeybunz SG

Originally posted by breytonhartge:

if you want to remeber those days, then by all means do so [b]AFTER you have remebered to keep the LORD's feasts. Actually you are the ones that are being lazy because you do not keep the Lords feasts and yet still insist on keeping man made tradition. What is more important, God or man? God clearly stated in the bible that these are HIS feasts to be kept, so why are you not doing it? If you believe in God and call Him your Father, you are His child, we are citizens of Heaven, yet we do not celebrate the Lords feasts why???[/b]

Oh.... going to church during Lenten & Advent, on Easter and Christmas is lazy and not observing the Lord's feast?

Everything man made is bad. Church buildings are man made too. Christian hymns are also composed by man. Are you supposed that we worship under the sun or in the cave?

Where in the bible Jesus condemned commemorating him???

Where in the bible Jesus wants us to remember pagan gods on days commemorating him?

breytonhartge SG

Read the bible, is easter a feast of the Lord as ordained in Leviticus? Is christmas?

That is the whole point easter and christmas do not commemorate Jesus, the feast of unleavened bread/passover does.

Yeshua did not comdemn remembering Him, but do the correct way and not the wrong way please.

You miss the point altogether, easter and christmas were originally pagan festivals which commemorated other gods and not Jesus, the RC church "christianised" them. So how then can God who is a jealous God give/share His glory with another?

NT2 SG

ok..i udnerstand where brey comes from and i agree with him.

Modern christian festivals that are no where found in the Bible are taken into our celebrations whereas the holy convocations the LORD instituted in the OT is taken lightly or at worst forgotten and ignored.

The modern christian festivals though may have biblical stories to accompany them are at times paganised or commercialised by people. Christmas is seen as a Shopping spree day while Easter a day to distribute hard boiled eggs n bunnies.

The holy feasts of the LORD on the other hand celebrates God's faithfulness and holiness. The feasts have messianic meanings and although we are gentiles and gentiles do not celebrate and observe such feasts as the Jews do. we should kept in mind what these feasts mean.

Chin Eng SG

As long as Christians know the purpose of these celebrations is adequate. Any popular festivals will lose it's meaning eventually. Chinese new year relative visitations has not meaning to me, and I usually do it one day and be done with it.

Originally posted by NT2:

The holy feasts of the LORD on the other hand celebrates God's faithfulness and holiness. The feasts have messianic meanings and although we are gentiles and gentiles do not celebrate and observe such feasts as the Jews do. we should kept in mind what these feasts mean.

Here's where you and brey differ. I totally agree with you. One time, we had a messianic Jew conducting a sermon on the various jewish festivals which included the apparatus used. It was awesome! But the end of it, there is really no application, because the Jewish festivities (no matter how religious there are, remains a foreign culture).

As far as I am aware, Paul had written to Jewish Christians not to enslave Gentiles believers on their traditions and practices.

SingaporeMacross SG

For all discussions related to Passover, let's go over to http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=188203

Chin Eng SG

Why hah? that thread is on "our moderator"????

SingaporeMacross SG

i think it is better to consolidate all the debates on passover into one thread. afterall, he’s the one with the issues.

breytonhartge SG

Pesach, or Passover. Pascha as they say in the greek and the same word is used in the original latin, so if you want to celebrate the ressurection of our Lord, then yes do so in the appropriate way and use the appropriate terminology. Not easter which has no meaning to pesach at all.

FYI you brought up pesach, not me. I do not have the issue here, I think you are confused.

breytonhartge SG

Acutally there is application, because we still worship the God of the Jews and as His adopted children we are to be aware of our Fathers business and to know His commands, unless you say that the OT does not apply to Christians, to which then why are we called the seed of Abraham through Yeshua?

Yes when paul said this He was talking about circumcision and about keeping all the other rabbinical laws which were taught to the Jews, but Paul being a Jew himself would not have deviated from God's commands for even Paul says so in 1 Corinthians 7:9, keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

The feasts of the Lord are what God has commanded us to do. Are we not adpoted sons and daughters of Israel and does it also not say in the bible that there will be neither jew or gentile and we will all worship God? As children of God, His command to us still remains. So the application is this, understand them and celebrate them for they contain the true meaning of Christ. If you say that a messianic jew has explained to you the significance of the feasts, then you should reaslise their importance.

Did not Jesus also say He had to be about His Fathers business, so like wise, we have to be about our Father's business, unless the God you worship is not the God of the Jews and not the God of the OT.

SingaporeMacross SG

I wrote something about this in the other thread.

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=188203

"so why aren't you pinpointing the Eastern Churches? Is it because they are doing the right thing, that is, keeping the Lord's festivals?

And if they 'keep the Lord's festivals', why aren't you Orthodox?

We Catholics celebrate Pascha; we merely call it Easter. Simple as that."

breytonhartge SG

and you still miss the point... pascha is correct, but easter is not.

Chin Eng SG

Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Yes when paul said this He was talking about circumcision and about keeping all the other rabbinical laws which were taught to the Jews, but Paul being a Jew himself would not have deviated from God's commands for even Paul says so in 1 Corinthians 7:9, keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Err? Which Bible are you using:
1 Cor 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

You know I had to stare your post many times to ensure that I am reading the correct verse. Confused

SingaporeMacross SG

so if Mother Church merely changes the name 'Easter' to 'Pascha', then everything will be all right?

vince69 SG

CE,
how come mine reads the same as Brey? (heehee, I double checked it with Bible gateway also)... hey, ok, I now found the problem....

Brey, typo, its verse 19 not verse 9
Smile

1Cor 7:18-20 (NIV)
18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.20Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him

breytonhartge SG

apologies, typed too fast, 1 cor 7:19 Embarassed

breytonhartge SG

no. easter was never adpoted and the eastern churches understood why. It seems you do not.

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