Signs of faith

last SG · 2005-12-29T14:10:21+00:00

Why not you define in your own words and present it before the others can answer you? Do you realise that you've been asking questions without people knowin...

laoda99 SG

true faith is total surrender of oneself to god....

laoda99 SG

The man could have faith in god when he was praying. But when his prayers were answered he forgot abt god.

babyys SG

I once heard a preacher say and its so true that the test of your faith in God comes not during happy times, but in times of trials, tribulation & persecution.

Thats when you will know where you stand in your faith. How strong is your faith in God is How much you are able to put your trust in him during tough times.

M©+square SG

Yea just like the sermon about Teabag.

laoda99 SG

Agreed. Jesus' disciples were told they would face persecution.

Ironside SG

Actaully, there are two kinds of faith:

1) Natural faith and 2) Divine faith

natural faith --everybody has it. We hail a taxi cab and we board in trusting, having faith that the driver would take us to our destination. We are diagnosed with an ailment that entails surgery........we submit ourselves to the surgeon's skillful hand trusting that he will do well.

We take medications prescribed by the doctor believing and trusting in him that he means well and wants us to get well.

Divine faith-- on the other hand is a faith not found in unregenerated man. It is a gift from God. True faith means that we have seen our helplessness with regards to salvation and convicts us of our sin and makes us embrace what Christ has done.

True faith is just an enlightened eye. 1) it sees our helplessnes 2) it sees our depravity 3) it sees Christ as Savior. The reason why true faith endures to the end and keeps on seeing Christ [number 3] is because it keeps on seeing 1 and 2.

True faith says: "i will never let go of Christ because ever before me i see my helplessness with regards to salvation and the sin that is in me."

vince69 SG

Let me have a go at this... Very Happy
Case,
This person is a non Christian who have never heard of Gospel or what Church teachings is like.
He turns to prayer, not even God.
He wasn't converted and still is a 'free thinker'

This means most likely this person do not know God, never heard of Christ, never heard of his teaching. as a 'free thinker', he most likely do not believe in any god as well (maybe I am wrong in this).
So, is Faith involved? maybe, though I don't think his faith is in Christ/God and thus not surprising he remain not converted and remain as a 'free thinker'.
I am not disputing that Christ/God is involed here, just that this person may not realised it.

(btw, coincidentally, this happened to me before, never heard of Gospel or what Church teachings is like till I was 14)

fallin SG

Erm, I don't mean to disrespectful but where in Singapore can the gospel not reach you until that relatively advanced age?

EDIT:type wrongly

SingaporeMacross SG

If one must hear the Gospels to be saved then what about the people before Jesus’ time?

fallin SG

The classic answer I believe would be Hebrews 11. The OT hall of fame.

babyys SG

All secrets belong to God! But i believe those that have not been given the chance to hear of the Gospel more so, would have God's grace.

vince69 SG

14yrs is consider relatively advanced age now, but not during early 80s. Very Happy
now you can guess my age.

Ironside SG

Cornelius [Acts 10] was a man who have never heard of the gospel. yet he was a man who sought God. He knew [according to his limited knowledge] that God was a God of righteousness and he sought Him with all His heart by doing things that are righteous.

God responded by sending to him the apostle Peter to preach to him the gospel. He believed and got saved.

About how the Old testament people were saved.

They were saved through the same means by faith in Jesus.

2Ti 3:14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them,

15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The 'Holy Scriptures' refered above by Paul was the Old Testament Scriptures for the new testament scriptures were still on the process of writing.

what does Paul say about the OT Scriptures? It will make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus

laoda99 SG

They are under a different convenant Smile

SingaporeMacross SG

Originally posted by Ironside:

Cornelius [Acts 10] was a man who have never heard of the gospel. yet he was a man who sought God. He knew [according to his limited knowledge] that God was a God of righteousness and he sought Him with all His heart by doing things that are righteous.

God responded by sending to him the apostle Peter to preach to him the gospel. He believed and got saved.

About how the Old testament people were saved.

They were saved through the same means by faith in Jesus.

2Ti 3:14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them,

15 [b]and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The 'Holy Scriptures' refered above by Paul was the Old Testament Scriptures for the new testament scriptures were still on the process of writing.

what does Paul say about the OT Scriptures? It will make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus[/b]

Then what about those who know nuts about the OT Scriptures?

Ironside SG

I believe just like Cornelius............if they sought God according to the little light they have............they will find Him...........God will somehow find a way to reach them. That is, if they really sought God.

There are testimonies of missionaries going out on a mission for the aborigines [tribal primitive people] who know nothing about the Lord Jesus but have sought out God. They claim that they eagerly recieved the gospel when they first heard it....claiming that they knew something of a God like they preached long before.

if you are a muslim doing with all sincerity the things that are good in your religion........ sincerely and ignorantly believing that Allah is the one true God, God in time will respond by sending you the gospel that you will be saved and know the truth, just like in Cornelius' case.

SingaporeMacross SG

I still think it is possible for non-Christians to go to heaven…. God is not petty..

OrneryBoy SG

what makes you think so?

laoda99 SG

IMHO, I think who ever acknowledge Christ as his only Lord and saviour will be saved!

Repented John SG

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Faith, hope, love the greatest of these is love. If you have all the faith but hath not love, what’s the point?

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