Marcus Borg (Ph.D., Oxford University, Hundere Distinguished
Professor of Religion and Culture) is one of the leading historical
Jesus scholar and distinguished member of the Jesus Seminar. He
knows what he is talking about, certainly not another Dan Brown or
von Daniken.
Why? You have problem with that? Or you want to mount an apologetic
for the Christian faith
Yes, I have a problemwith tat because he is only ONE SINGLE
individual. All along I have asked is the GENERAL perception of
CHRISTIANS. They believe in the idea of the trinity, tat the son,
father and holy spirit r one and is god. IS this marcus the only
christian in the world ? Why talk about wat tis guy think and
ttoally ignore wat christian thinks ? Is his opinion more important
then the view of most of the churches and christians ?
You don't xiao ding dong la, friend. When did the argument
become whether any church practise masses on christmas eve?
My argument has been, in the quote below, bold is from SIS:
U fail to read the next reply on my post isn't it ?
tat is strange, his birth date is one of the most celebrated day
yet u r telling me it is not important ? Doesn't a lot of churches
hold special mass on tat day ?
Isn't tat already an answer to my poitn above ? Does a lot of
people celebrate tis festival throughout the world ? DOes most
churches perform specialmasses on att day ? If your answer is a yes
to the 2 questions above, then my point tat it is a very important
festival to tons of people is right ! U go out of point by talking
about a small group of people then u blame me for going out of
point ? ISn't tat wat u always do, answer back an answer tat is
irrelevant to the topic at at hand by refering to the view of a
small group or individual ? When their view is blown off, u become
the person pointing fingers at tis group or individual u bring up
and says it is not your stand as well. Wat a despicable way of
debating
The bible is not a historical book, though Acts
can be considered a historical narrative and parts
of OT are chronological in nature? The bible was written to tell
people the beginning, fall, redemption, salvation and endtimes. The
gospels are "good news", to proclaim Jesus Christ to the world,
hence details like the extraordinary star have higher significance
than your precise date.
Isn't your first sentence and your second contradict each other?
ISn't acts part of the bible ? They talk about jesus and his story,
isn't tat something like history as well ? They can recod minute
details on hsi life yet they can't remeber the date he was borned ?
Isn't tat strange ? Who r u to say tat his birth date r less
important than perhaps many many small detailed action he performed
and recorded in the bible ?
Birth date harder mah. Maybe the parents forgot liao? Or the
gospel authors neve r bother to find out exactly when
Tat is ridiculous, u mean it is harder to remember a date than
the whole speech he given on a mountian ? Parents forget ? Maybe
your parents forget your birthday. There r also tons of christian
scholars tat research on his birth date and find nothing. WHo say
about can't be bothered ?
I'm not interested in how many references contain the date. I
want to know, for example the date is found in a book by blah blah,
how blah blah knew the date.
If u think I am so free, then u r wrong. I thought u r the one
tat ask people to do their research if they r interested ? If u
want to know, go search the reference yourself. I have already done
my part showing u the reference and the wbsite to it
omg .. your reply in bold above .. doesn't it answer your own
question? Maybe that is why Jesus' birthday was forgotten?
OMG, is pontious pilate god ? Is he so important tat he is the
focus of the whole NT ? U r comparing peanuts to god ! Even minute
details about jesus r remembered, why forget about the date of his
birth ?
Those sites are not wrong, just that their authors have more
confidence on the date. It is like the best guess, but as SIS
admitted himself, "best guess is not absolute".
c/ca basically means they are not sure, there are still doubts. Why
the fark will we want to put, for example SIS to be born circa 19XX
when it is so clear from his birth cert?
I have given u a website tat give of absolute figure for the
birth date. Why ignore tat website ? WHy keep talking about other
website when u should be focusing on the website where the date was
clearly written without c/ca ? Wat is the fark wrong with u ? U
lost your memory and forget tat there is a website with a proper
absolute figure of the birthdate written ?
Even in china, there are many taoists also, do you count these
people in? And I don't think the whole of India was influenced by
buddhism for a long time. So your populous nations assumption
cannot show more people are influenced. On the other hand, church
life is integral to life in Europe before the Enlightenment. There
may be Jews and Muslims, but not in large numbers other than in
Muslim nations for the latter. But India and China? We find hindus
and taoists as major religions also. In no book will you find
buddhist life an integral part of life in China.
If u read back my posts, from tis onwards
If u r talking about influence,
in the past buddhism has a higher population than
christainity.
Anyway both started at different
times so in the past it is really true buddhist is more
influencial, logically more since Christ is not born
yet
I have already told u tat buddhism do have more people believing
and more influential than christianity. Can u tell me tat at no
time does buddhism have more people than christanity ? Your website
shows the population now, I am talking about the past. WHy talk
about different things altogther again ?
Never mind, tis has becoem a flaming war of some sort, and I do not
want to waste my time discussing incredible stupid things like the
opinion of marcus which according to someone outweighs the
collective opinion of the church and christian. If u wanna continue
fine. I am leaving tis thread unless otherwise forced to return
