Roman Catholism

last SG · 2004-07-17T00:02:20+00:00

Yup, sliew, just hold on to your faith. Let neither defractors nor hypocrites make you stray away from your beliefs. Btw, is the movie out on vcds?

Icemoon SG

Quick .. Neon .. do some damage control!

Say your pastor and church did not teach you all that. Very Happy The reading of Chick is of your own initiative. All the Catholic criticisms are your own opinions.

Icemoon SG

See what I mean by creating an awareness? Very Happy

Thanks for all the replies which should have cost you some brain cells. They're mature and well-substantiated - probably take some time to refute. Mr. Green

laurence82 SG

Shocked

Confused

laurence82 SG

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It is very important people should read anything and everything with a pinch of salt.

NeonTetra SG

the things he said as an ex-catholic i can identify with. ok..perhaps the chick guy is a bit harsh in his words but i have read other books about(not anti) RC written by ex-fransiscan priests and all...they do talk about RC in the light of the bible in a mature and sensible manner.

the thread here is not ANTI-CATHOLIC....i feel that all should know the truth. as we discover the flaws of our doings (be it RC or some extreme protestant churches). so that we worship the true God in the right manner....that being according to His prescribed and commaned manner.

we dun do things in our way, and make it sound legitimate. i can say i need to jerk off because i feel the urge.....but does that make jerking off right in the sight of God?

NeonTetra SG

Jesus came to be born, grow up as a man, die on the cross for the sins of the world, risen from the dead 3 days after, after 40 days He ascended into heaven and He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

I dun think we need to potray this glorious Jesus as an infant all the time....until today and to the ridiculous extent of devoting to the Infant of Prague. I used to have this Infant of Prague devotion and now...its pure blasphemy. Dun tell me we r devoting to Jesus' infant innocence and childlike faith. it's again one of those 'excuses'

The Mother in the Madonna is not Mary the Jewish Maiden, she is Seramis/Isthar and the Infant is not Jesus, he is Nimrod/Baal.

This Mother and Child religious figure has been seen rampant in most of today's world religion. The Chinese 'Kuanyin with a baby in her arms' is also another manisfestation. How come Kuanyin turned from a male deity into a female version? because this spirit of worshipping and devoting to a female goddess is paganistic and more appealing to people.

When one look at the picture of Madonna...i cant relate to any bible scene about Jesus. The bible main focus is on the Man Jesus and not infant carried by mother.

so is this the Hindunise version of Mary and Jesus?? of coz...not.

NeonTetra SG

for once u r quite smart. haha

ya..the RC call Mary the second eve...

NeonTetra SG

some pastors did teach that. just that they approach it in a gentle manner?
truth is hard to believe. i wont apologise.

sliew SG

Beware of things you read that accuses the Catholic Church and formulate all kinds fo stories. They may be ex-catholics who because of their heretical views got expelled and they go for a revenge.

Even if the person is neutral as in the case of a jounalist who wrote a book to bad mouth Mother Theresa works. Some people write all this to earn money, create sensation and a name for themselves.

Afterall, who will be more famous ? a person who create sensation or a humble servant of the Lord ?

Christ has promised that the Church will prevail. God will not allow a evil church to survive. The RC church is the only Church who has survived and still growing strong for 2000 years. I agree that there are many evil people who had run the church. But the beauty is God always raise good and holy people to chanllenge the church and reform like Martin Luthur ( too bad he set up his own) But we need to learn from others to enhance the Catholic Church.

I can see books written by pastors in our book stores but not vice versa. Recently i went into a Christian book store and asked for Mother Theresa movie. They don't have any.

The best way to know the Catholic Church and to dispel fears and misunderstanding is to visit one and participant in some of our services.

sliew SG

NeonTetra SG

i was a Catholic. I dun leave RC because the priest molest me or ppl call me heretic.....i simple study and understanding of the Bible...not sunday missal will help you know. of course if one day RC turns biblical..i wont hesitate to join it again...but look at the enforcement of blasphemous doctrines...Immaculate Conception is not found in Bible, invented by men and endorsed by the Pope...and now has been one of the dogma of the church...cannot...impossible to reconcile such a church.

NeonTetra SG

true ...some theology are childish...but those mature ones u r not open to?

we r not inventing something against this mary and child thing. but to expose the trickery behind this pagan worship.

sliew SG

I was a Buddhist first then a Methodist, then a Catholic. I am sorry that you were a victim. But you see we can't judge that all priests are like these. I also heard of pastors who are like this.. so no end to it. Itis your personal faith. If you encounter, you should bring it up and not just leave the church. The Church need people like you to change for the better.

You fall into the bible only mentality. There are so many traditions not written in the Bible. The Catholic Church is both bible and tradition. Other churches lack this because they were started from ground ero with no history to support them. Christianity is not a religion of a book. If you are biblical, then let me ask did JESUS IN THE BIBLE SAID YOU FOLLOW THE BIBLE OR HIS WORD ? HIS WORD DOES NOT ONLY MEAN THE WRITTEN WORD BUT THE SPIRIT ITSELF. DID THE WORD BIBLE IN THE BIBLE ?

Now i am not saying that other churches are inferior. We have much to learn from protestants. I too read many of them and benefitted from it.

You may also read the works of St John of the cross, St theresa of the child jesus, the Carmelites comtemplative tradition and see the richness of the Christian faith. Or even Russian and Greek Christian spirituality. They will enhance your understanding of the bible

sliew SG

NeonTetra SG

Anglicanism also has our tradition....but these have no way in conflict with the Bible. RC traditions however...some of them are blasphemous in nature and contrary to the Bible.

since Bible is not regarded as fully authoritative in the RC faith and doctrine but is subjected to human changes. i shall not discuss with you further. there is no basis anyway. and perhaps God shldnt have given us the Bible...ppl dun see it as holy anyway.

Icemoon SG

Actually it remains debatable whether the "church" is an institutional body like you said.

I agree that there are many evil people who had run the church. But the beauty is God always raise good and holy people to chanllenge the church and reform like Martin Luthur ( too bad he set up his own) But we need to learn from others to enhance the Catholic Church.

This is interesting. But exactly what are you saying? You're saying Luther was right or Luther was wrong but he helped to cause of the Catholic Counter-Reformation?

I can see books written by pastors in our book stores but not vice versa.

You call them pastors also? Razz

Recently i went into a Christian book store and asked for Mother Theresa movie. They don't have any.

Then what they have? Gospel of John? Passion of Christ? Perhaps they're not into selling movies.

Icemoon SG

The Bible is fully authoritative in the RC faith, just that it is not solely authoritative. I hope I didn't get their position wrongly.

The Bible must never contradict their supposed Apostolic tradition.

Hmm, then is the Papal Bull infalliable? Twisted Evil

Icemoon SG

All the priests are like what? Sorry, but you're just confusing everybody who read your reply and Neon's. He admitted leaving NOT because of bad priests.

You fall into the bible only mentality. There are so many traditions not written in the Bible. The Catholic Church is both bible and tradition.

Sounds like the Islam Hadith to me. Very Happy

Now i am not saying that other churches are inferior. We have much to learn from protestants. I too read many of them and benefitted from it.

Wow, I love this guy! I'm sure the Pope will like him too.

sliew SG

You said Anglicanism does not contradict the Bible. How do you know ? are you sure you interpret the Bible correctly, for example the real presence of Jesus.

I am sure you know how Anglicanism started. Gay bishop, does it not contradict Bible or not ? You let me know your Anglican answer.

In England, many Anglicans turned to RC because the teachings of the Anglican Church changes with the times and trends as in Gay bishop ordination and the ordination of women priest.

You may say that the RC church is not this and that but in many instances, you can see that they don't change the traditions and doctrine to follow secular ideas.

SingaporeMacross SG

Originally posted by NeonTetra:

Regarding to your explanation..statues and images that direct our worship to the God of the Bible is ok....i show you wat the bible says...

Exodus 32

The Golden Calf

1 When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, "Come, make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don't know what has happened to him."
2 Aaron answered them, "Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me." 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. [b]Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt."
5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD ." 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. [3] Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.
7 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'
9 "I have seen these people," the LORD said to Moses, "and they are a stiff-necked people. 10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation."

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When the Israelites made the golden calf..it was not some pagan gods they have in mind when they made it. Infact when u read the words in bold...they ascribe to the calf what the God of Israel did. They say....this is the 'god' who brought them out of Egypt. They worship the calf as though worshipping God and recognising what God has done for them....in the wrong manner and God hates it. Many of us can also worship the true God in a false manner....

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Youre example falls short in any supposed comparison to Catholic piety. I will say this again, we do not worship our images as though worshipping God. We do not sacrifice anything before our images. We do not attribute to our images any qualities or works of God. Our images are not substitutes for God. Our images do not prompt us to indulge in revelry. In all these ways, Catholics are distinct and separate from the stiff-necked people who created the golden calf.

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