Firstly, yes I did mention that lust and masturbation is only
indirectly linked. I never said they are ONE thing.
Firstly, u give a statement condening lusting for an answer to
banning masturbation. And u really didn't explicitly say there r
not one item nor say they r indirectly linked.
Secondly, I agree that LUST is ever present. I too succumb to
LUST as a christian.
Then don't u find it wierd for tat someone to suggest we do
something tat can never be achieved ? It is the same as breathing
and eating. Why ban it ? As I said before, since everyone lust, why
make it become a sin ? If tat is the case the biggest sinner is god
since they force us to be so.
Thirdly, the question from greengoblin was that why masturbation
is such an issue and my answer was that in order to masturbate,
lust is present and lust to God is a sin. If you can masturbate
without having any lust and without any lustful images in ur mind,
then well go ahead.
The thing is, christian ban masturbation just because they occur
the sin of lust. My question is, why not force women to cover
themselves up except their eyes in order not to commit the sin of
lust ? I am pretty sure if we cover up the girls, less "lust" sin
will be committed. It will even be more effective than banning
masturbation. Why only ban masturbation ?
Fourthly, it was God who says it is a sin to lust not me.
However, He did say the moment you sin, He will strike me down or
else I would have been struck down a few times every day. yes I
lust every day but every day I learn more and more not to.
Christians never become sinless but they learn to sin less and
less.
Jesus says it is a sin to have lustful thoughts. However it is
Human tat interpretes tis statement to banning masturbation. Again
the scripture never explicitly say masturbation is disallow. They
however do explicit says tat women who r not virgins when they r
married have to be stoned to death. Why r u not following tis
phrase of the scripture then ?
Fifthly, No one wants to ban masturbation. yes without
masturbation, lust is still present, but the question is about
masturbation isnt it? And masturbation is most likely a result of
lust. I am just trying to say that to get to masturbation, you
likely would have to go thru the process of lusting. It is not
wrong to look at pretty girls. It is not wrong to admire God's
creation. But to God, if we go on and continue to 'strip' them in
our mind then well to God, it is a sin but again, I say, God is not
seeking an opportunity to ZAP us from heaven.
The question is about masturbation, but u give me an answer
which talk about lust. As said, masturbation is a result of lust.
However lust may also have developed due to exposing women
appearence to men. Christian try to stop lust by banning
masturbation. Why not stop lusting by forcing women to wear
clothings that cover everything as well ? Why the double standard
?
If u care to notice, god had placed eve as naked in the garden of
eve. God have wanted men and women to go around naked. Why can't we
picture them naked mentally ? Wat harm it cause ? I ask again, wat
harm does it cause ?
Lastly, as I said, christians dun become sinless. So even in
masturbation, I can say that at least for single guys, it is almost
impossible to NOT MASTURBATE EVER IN THEIR WHOLE LIFE again. Bt it
is possible to masturbate lesser and lesser. Anyway, I believe it
is known to all of us that doctors advise masturbation to be kept
in control as it may occupy our whole time and being and may result
you to have a selfish sex life in future. They do not advise that
you must totally stop masturbating but not to let it occupy your
whole time and being.
Wat is the rationale for masturbating lesser and lesser ? Have u
ever think about it, wat harm does it cause. The girl aren't going
to get affected or really care wat u r doing. Why stop yourself
from a normal health progression ?
Doctors has been telling people tat masturbation is good
psychologically and physically. The best part is no one is gonna
get hurt and it relieves sexual pressure. For your examples of
masturbation gone bad, it is for people who r addicted to them.
Unless u r a person who masturbate every hour, then u r not going
to suffer the stated problems. Why put in the problem of addicts in
this discussion ? Religion fanatic certainly have more serious
problems than a masturbation addict.
