Court Martial Justifiable: Take MC, And Go Take Exam Too

last SG · 2010-03-06T12:48:49+00:00

Ooooooooo .... but it hurts, right ? ... I did come very close to the uncomfortable truth, eh ? .... did you thump your keyboard in anger ? .... is it trigge...

insidestory SG

I know, just really curious how the "specialist letter" comes in

Yeah, it makes you wonder just how low these specialists will go. As long as you pay them, they will write anything for you. Even rubbish. Have you checked out the stories from expats on how they are fleeced left right centre by these specialists in private practice who anyhow quote prices, or recommend unnecessary treatments? One of my friends was quoted by a specialist in Mt E $8k for a simple blood sample test. When the specialist found out she's Singaporean and only speaks like an American cos she was away for 7 yrs since she's 17, he said ok just for since you're Singaporean, $4k. Later my friend went to SGH and got the test done for $25.

I think the specialists business is kept alive by a sizeable number of NSFs here. I remember one soldier who got his specialist to write that his skin was allergic to the SAF bed, (not mattress, but bed) so he can't stay in and another soldier who managed to get a specialist dumb enough to write that the soldier is "allergic to officers".

CKeer SG

I've to agree on that. I've seen ridiculous excuses before: One soldier presented me with a form that says "Allergic to grass. Excused Uniform and Boots. Excused Stay In" All roll into one from a generous specialist.

The counter-measure for Excuse Stay-in is simple: Book out 2200. Book in 0700.

skythewood SG

The counter-measure for Excuse Stay-in is simple: Book out 2200. Book in 0700.

What the hell is "excuse stay in"? allergic to grass is possible. excuse uniform and boots due to skin condition possible. excuse stay in due to what?

insidestory SG

The counter-measure for Excuse Stay-in is simple: Book out 2200. Book in 0700.

Exactly. What does that say about the state of private medical practice in Singapore? A bunch of hackjobs. Its only not moderated because MOH believes that its not right to be telling private practice specialists how much they should be making. Afterall private practice is subject to demand and supply of market forces. So all it means as long as there is a continuous stream of super idiots willing to be chopped and a pool of malingering NSFs from affluent families, the hackjobs will continue to thrive.

TS, if you wanna argue that what your do in NS and what you did isn't a reflection of your core character, and what you will very well do in corporate life, think again. NS is not called a liability for nothing. Everyone knows that. The difference is that responsible men know that responsibility means doing what you don't like to do, because you have to do it. Responsibility is not doing what you like to do, like roller coaster rides or a fun night out at the Bellagio in Vegas. Its taking care of a sick father who may bleed your finances but no choice, what to do, you have to do it or soldiering on in a job you hate because your wife has just tested positive for cancer. This is real life. And this is what people go through.

If you can take MC for your private exams and feel quite justified and smug doing so, you're the same kind of men who later in life think nothing of taking MC to get yourself rest when there's a lot of shit to do in the office, or taking MC to run your family errands during a high key period in office because "you have no choice".

loki_chaos SG

Wow. all so harsh comments, but can't be helped because it's really quite wrong to do such a thing. I agree on the part that you should have pleaded guilty the first time.

collinnxk88 SG

most likely those 'hackjob' doctors are usually foreigners or ladies who arent that aware -.-" [the local guys are more scrutinisng based on their previous MO experience unless they themselves heck care for the sake of money =.=] however, there isnt much that can be done as their professional licence's terms and conditions rarely cover nsf-related stuffs and such [as long as no malpractice causing injury/death/life threat is present]..

Daveteo SG

Do anything but don't get caught. The TS now got caught so can only blame himself for being stupid and suay.

When I was in ns, I took 30 to 40 days mc in the 10 months before I ord and I didn't get caught and I ord in peace.

TS consider yourself suay

Lokey SG

Hi all, just a question. I was slapped with a charge of 10 days DB, for taking my exams on mc. My leave was not enough to cover the full duration of my exams den my unit don't allow me to use off also. If a paper is missed, the whole subject will be deemed as absent.

So i bo pian go take exam during my mc, then now kena charged. Somemore i have specialist letter stating it is very important for me to take my examination. So my OC charge me but i don't plead guilty, transfer to CO, charge me but i also don't plead guilty, then to court martial.

Questions, are.. how long will i receive the letter to go for court martial?

Is my offence justified for 10days DB? (my CO was planning to give more)

I got discharged (PES F), expecting to get my IC next week, den if go court martial found guilty still under military rule?

Any advice for hiring a defence lawyer??

If I am you, I am no push over. I will bring every resources, I have from media, mp, SAF hotline, and EVERYTHING. Since the CO or OC or whatever is being informed I will whack every1 upside down. Anyway, EXAM and TESTs are very important events in life and it is necessary for life to go on and even after you ORD. If whoever on top is not being understanding, than he does not deserve to be a commander at all.

I read somewhere that taking EXAM off, compensation leave, birthday off in the directive and handbook before, I am not sure if it is still exists. Check it out urself.

Anyway who say taking MC must stay home AND REST? It is only written black and white on the MC say you are unfit for work and is not valid for court. Have you all ever read the MC and medical directive before? Where on paper that it is being written that you have to stay home and rest?

Anyway the idea of giving an MC is not to rest, but more like isolation, because that person may be spreading the cold and flu virus around. If he is injured, it may be difficult to walk around.

Good Luck to TS. I have not problem getting OFF for my scholarship interview, driving test, and other stuff before,hence therefore...

schi_zo SG

Hi all, my mc was related to my studies and i had my mc several months before the examinations, not the 1 day 2 day flu cough kind. Side note, I was referring to A levels.

I have NEVER EVER applied for leave, nor OFF, not even once in my ~2years of NS, it was always told that 'company off' today, but my off wasn't deducted and my leave was instead. Of course i wasn't informed till I wanted to apply for my exams. Lack of leave left me to ask to apply OFF for my exams, but i was denied. Already at THIS point of time, I am already on mc.

I was scheduled to go for my unit's major exercise but in the end i was excused from it and allowed to go for my exams. So during my exams, there was no way there could a clash of NS activities, as my unit was away for the exercise. But they just don't want to let me use off, excuse me, let me go for exam but dont let me use off, justified? In my initial post, if i missed a paper, the whole subject is deemed as absent, so aren't they playing me? So my question is there such a directive that cannot use off to go for exams?

I am confused that some replies were directed angrily, which I cannot see the point behind it, as my case doesn't harm you anyway, does it? I view my education as an important bridge to working life, so that's why i chose my path. If you think the value of conscription is greater than the importance of education, then I must salute you, great asset of the SAF.

Lokey SG

Hi all, my mc was related to my studies and i had my mc several months before the examinations, not the 1 day 2 day flu cough kind. Side note, I was referring to A levels.

Seriously, this kind of stuffs are such simple things. Your boss should be able to handle this well. How can it turn out so bad?

I meant most of the sign on are uni grad, they should understand the need of his men to take his A level and stuff. They are themselves pretty highly educated too. it is just strange.

IT is OVERALL very very funny.

fudgester SG

What I have to say is this:

By right, you're not even really supposed to take outside courses or take external examinations, etc while you're doing full-time NS. If you're given time off to do so, it is a privilege and not a right, and it is subject to the discretion of the commanders as to whether or not such a privilege can be given.

Otherwise, as others have pointed out, we'll have queues of people demanding time off to go for driving lessons, piano lessons, BTT, FTT, C programming courses, etc.....

Seriously, it does not matter what the MC is for; when you're on Attend C, you're expected to spend your time at home (except to perhaps go to the hawker center to buy dinner or something).

Bottom line is, the words 'full-time' in the term 'National Service Full-time' means exactly that: you are a full-time soldier. If you want to do other things, then please do it at your own time, and do not let it get in the way of your full-time duties as an NSF.

N00bism SG

Hi all, my mc was related to my studies and i had my mc several months before the examinations, not the 1 day 2 day flu cough kind. Side note, I was referring to A levels.

Are you studying in any school now? Who gave you the permission to go take your exams? Did you tell them you have this exam way beforehand? Are you medically certified to take exam? The whole situation sounds like you are taking part-time education, allowed but troublesome. Sounds like your superiors didn't exactly gve you the rights to take the exam. But you play some stunt and go take MC for the exam. So what the MC say? Medically certified you to take exam instead of serving NS?

Daveteo SG

Hi all, my mc was related to my studies and i had my mc several months before the examinations, not the 1 day 2 day flu cough kind. Side note, I was referring to A levels.

You are just suay lah. You take mc several months and even get PES F now so your unit OC and CO see you bei song and want to charge you and see you suffer.

loki_chaos SG

I read somewhere that taking EXAM off, compensation leave, birthday off in the directive and handbook before, I am not sure if it is still exists. Check it out urself.

Anyway the idea of giving an MC is not to rest, but more like isolation, because that person may be spreading the cold and flu virus around. If he is injured, it may be difficult to walk around.

Good Luck to TS. I have not problem getting OFF for my scholarship interview, driving test, and other stuff before,hence therefore...

I beg to differ on the day off directive thingy, ultimately the unit still has its SOP to follow and still have to depend if commanders allow or not.

As for the MC, yes it didn't state that one should stay home and rest, but doesn't mean it allows one to be taking part in another activity if one is genuinely sick.

Once again, I think that off is really dependable on commanders. If they are those that can close one eye, then everything would be smooth. But if there are bastard officers around, then have to be careful or else will step into their traps.

^tamago^ SG

PES F can directly discharge by CMPB right?

no need to go back reservist too and have anymoe contact with Army right?

but then the Court Martial sentence, they might still be able to sentence someone with PES F if the offence is committed before discharge, but to involve a PES F in DB sounds silly.

R3SsH|n SG

interesting case…

Lokey SG

I beg to differ on the day off directive thingy, ultimately the unit still has its SOP to follow and still have to depend if commanders allow or not.

As for the MC, yes it didn't state that one should stay home and rest, but doesn't mean it allows one to be taking part in another activity if one is genuinely sick.

So all in all TS's commanders suck, probably is some no-brainer sign on fellow. A simple EQ problem, at the end made it into such as big matter. A bad sheep in the high rank is making people condemning the SAF as a whole. And whoever have actually sign on, really reflect their intellect.

So the commander even know that sending people to DB eventually to martial court reflect badly on their portfolio as well.

Daveteo SG

So the commander even know that sending people to DB eventually to martial court reflect badly on their portfolio as well.

I got a feeling the commanders must be some condemned cannot make it regulars and now trying to take it out on their subordinates

R3SsH|n SG

other people in your company allowed to take off?

Fatum SG

Questions, are.. how long will i receive the letter to go for court martial?

Is my offence justified for 10days DB? (my CO was planning to give more)

I got discharged (PES F), expecting to get my IC next week, den if go court martial found guilty still under military rule?

Any advice for hiring a defence lawyer??

from some of your previous threads, it's obvious that you have been a huge prick to your fellow soldiers and your superiors .....

hoh seh liao lah .... now look who's got the last laugh now ......

have fun in DB.

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