Corporal (CPL) Dave Teo Ming

last SG · 2007-09-03T22:24:59+00:00

correct. the old academic quadification rank promotion rule for pte, lcp and cpl is scrapped. any men can get cpl rank if recommanded and pass their second y...

chanjyj SG

Can say I am more of a Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan different style.
Jeet Kune Do.

cornyfish2000 SG

Yes, parents may be charged too if they fail to report their son.

The only exception, i believe, is the spouse. The spouse of a criminal cannot be charged for not reporting a criminal act committed by the latter.

oxford mushroom SG

In peacetime, civil jurisdiction supercedes the military.

cornyfish2000 SG

Yes, you're probably right. They probably just met her on the streets and gave her some money to book the room under her name so as to avoid detection.

Ponders SG

I guess it depends from country to country.

Singapore's military is very much intertwined with civilians. And we do not have a well-established military court system as compared to US.

Our JAG is also the AG, we do not have an official Legal Corp and much of the disciplinary system is decentralised to units.

But I personally believe, Teo should have been dealt militarily first before handed over to civilian authorities.

vIn.Warrior SG

i think so too.

like tt will she be punished as well?

cornyfish2000 SG

Well military law is really a superset of civilian law, which means a military court martial has the jurisdiction to try him under the Arms Offences Act as well.

But in practice, major criminal cases tend to be tried in the civilian courts instead, even if they were to involve military personnel. The Military courts here seem to deal more with petty offences like theft, AWOL etc though theoretically they can even try capital cases.

Ponders SG

IF this logic continues, the 3SG who issued to rifle and ammo to him must be charged also because the 3SG should have guessed his mental state as he was going thru a breakup. The 3SG got no reason not to know because the breakup was made public on his ex's blog.

Likewise, the camp's RSM must be charged for rostering guard duty and preparing the necessary equipment to perform guard duty.

So is the BDO and BOS for mounting the guards that day.

The CO for authorising arms to be kept at guard house.

the Mindef for posting CO to the unit.

cornyfish2000 SG

Well MINDEF does have its own legal service in charge of prosecution of servicemen in the military courts..

Ponders SG

And to add, the military allows for caning too.

Not sure about death sentence though.

cornyfish2000 SG

I don't think so.. Unless she knew that Dave Teo was in illegal possession of the rifle at that time.

mancha SG

If Cpl Teo was court-martialed for what he did, the whole military would accept it.
But it looks like he was thrown to the dogs.

Ponders SG

is this legal service an Official unit and a stand-alone unit?

i always want to find out..

because my lawyer friend wanted to sign on as such, but recruitment officer was very ambiguous.

Afaik, these ppl in legal service are NSmen who are lawyers.

cornyfish2000 SG

Yup, the subordinate military court can sentence a serviceman to death. To quote the SAF Act:

"Scale of punishments, etc.
118. (1) The punishments which may be awarded by sentence of a subordinate military court under this Act are, subject to section 112 (1) and to this section

(a) death;

(b) imprisonment;

(c) discharge with ignominy;

(d) dismissal;

(e) special detention for a term not exceeding 3 months in a disciplinary barrack;

(f) detention for a term not exceeding 2 years;

(g) reduction in rank except that an officer shall not be reduced below the rank of second lieutenant and a warrant officer shall not be reduced below the rank of second warrant officer;

(h) forfeiture of seniority of rank and forfeiture of all or any part of his service for purposes of promotion;

(i) a fine;

(j) in the case of an offence which has occasioned any expense, loss or damage, deduction of pay;

(k) reprimand;

(l) such minor punishments as may from time to time be authorised by the Armed Forces Council in regulations made under this Act,

and references in this Act to any punishment provided by this Act are, subject to the limitation imposed in any particular case by the addition of the word less are references to any one or more of the punishments.
[20/75;17/78;1/94]"

vIn.Warrior SG

wow. military death sentence in Spore..

like nv happen before leh.

Ponders SG

Well, so for some cases, they actually got around the law by decommissioning the Officer?

I have known (or at least read in ROs) LTAs decom'ed to PTE.

And also, i don't understand the 3 months max DB.

And what's a subordinate military court?

cornyfish2000 SG

Hmm.. not too sure about that.. was reading the SAF Act on a website, found it rather interesting. For instance, i didn't know an Air Force pilot can be court martialled and jailed up to 2 years if he causes unnecessary annoyance when flying his aircraft. Cool

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/

Look under Singapore Armed Forces Act.

cornyfish2000 SG

Ya, i don't think so either. Cos all these major cases are tried in the civilian courts.

LazerLordz SG

We are not talking about Ops status here.

We are talking about the legal jurisdiction of a particular individual.

Because the SAF Act governs an individual from the date of enlistment till the date of discharge.

Military prosecution should take place first, punishment dealt and served, then the civilian courts. At the time of the offence, he is a soldier first and foremost, a private citizen second.

stellazio SG

suay sia.

and his so called accomplice friend lagi worse..

1 more month to ord..sigh.. now his whole future gone.

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