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last SG · 2007-04-07T00:29:09+00:00

TS, judging from the way you listed many irrelevant points, I suppose you have not enlisted? You listen to stories from your friends or peers about all the...

tetsumi SG

welfare is allowing soldiers to give their 100% during training, helping them apply for financial aids if they need any, helping them resolve any problems that might affect their training.

n u tot that welfare = slp in bunk, go canteen breaks, book out early etc? Shocked

Ah Cek SG

reasonable treatment is call training
unreasonable treatment is call moulding

chanjyj SG

Can I give my comment? Confused

SAF BMT training is NOTHING compared to other countries.
If we don't have this level of training our army will be Sri Lanka's army, unable to fight against the Tamil Tigers.

Ever seen a Marine go thu quantico? Watch the "Full metal jacet" if you have the chance, then you will realise your own BMT is nothin... at least no one physicall hits you.

AhJun SG

how to expect soldiers to gif their 100% during training when they r given unreasonable treatment?

Quiet Guy SG

you just make sure you give your 100%. you no need to worry about others.

as the song goes . here we go again .................

chanjyj SG

they don't. And that problem will be solved by someone higher up. Rolling Eyes Not your business to bother about them.

tetsumi SG

define unreasonable treatment pls?

AhJun SG

giving punishments which r banned!
for example, changing parade

AhJun SG

not in gd health wanna fall out yet instructor say u kengster and dun let u rest

airgrinder SG

Heard it from my boss after he watched 300. Could be something from there that gave him the inspiration. keke

Quiet Guy SG

this is a big joke. FALL OUT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you have a chance in no1 uniform and in an parade, you fall out during the parade and give an excuse not feeling in good health, see what will you get for punishment!!!!!!!!!!!

BMT is for training and DISCIPLINE young boy, be a MAN or be a boy, you decide.

for now, you may fall out .. Mr. Green

AhJun SG

not fall out la i mean..u nid to go see MO or something but not allowed cos they say u keng
erm of OOC during bmt nid to recourse and becos of that serve for 4 years???

JasonC SG

cool. Cool

dark_riverter SG

simple.. cos they're there to drill inside u discipline.. discipline to hold ur place and do ur assigned duties and responsibilities in times of war.. discipline for u to watch ur mates' backs while they watch yours.. discipline for u not to desert ur buddies while u are out fighting together.. that's y discipline training is so important when u're in bmt.. it's needed to make sure u and ur buddies survive in times of war.. of course, all these may make no sense to u cos we're not at war.. but perspiring a bucket of sweat in peacetime sure beats losing a pint of blood in war..

Reveille SG

AhJun, I believe you've admitted that you have yet to even enlist. Yet here you are ranting on and on about ill treatment in the armed forces like you were a victim of it yourself. You aren't doing justice to the thousands and thousands who have gone through two years of full time national service, sucking it up when things got tough and taking it like a man. How many recruits have you heard of who are driving past their limit and taking their own lives? On what grounds are you making your accusations of the SAF?

Tough training is good training in the military. War is not a game, and we don't want to ever be caught under prepared.

To be honest, I'm glad there aren't many like you, complaining about the tough life of the military even before experiencing it. I cannot imagine having to rely on cowardly and useless people like you to defend out sovereignty.

LazerLordz SG

Have you served? If not, please stop flinging issues around as though you have.

Quiet Guy SG

Hi all,

lets give AhJun some space, whether is he enlisted or not, still proven he is still a fresh enlistee, is ok for new enlistee to ask/know/gather etc.. any info he need, we may not know maybe after he finished his vocation training, he may have a changed of view of SAF. He could be one of the TOP soldiers in SAF in future.
So if Ahjun got any doubt on SAF issue, let all the lao jiao here to give him full support info, if he still have this fear of this and that, we also cant do anything laio.

CHeers..

Quiet Guy SG

during our BMT, our BSM like to support those who need to report sick, because our BSM know 10 recruit go see MO, maybe only one will get attain c bunk, the rest got nothing and will have a tough time throughout the BMT Shocked
MO is just as good as Twisted Evil wahhahahahaha

Twice A Day SG

Hey TS. From your replys, I can sense a deep sense of injustice and whether or not u are enlisted, thats not a good sign. Regarding not being able to fall out, I can understand you as it is a guideline to allow soldiers to receive necessary medical care esp if they are unwell. But rules are always there as a guide and often things are done under the commanders' discretion.

Things often go wrong as afew " bad apples" may cause the superiors to have a negative look on the whole bunch thus the unfair treatment. Its saddening to say this but life is never plain sailing and its the same in the outside world. You say u r sick and see a doc; your boss thinks u r faking it and we see a same end result.

So its often the people administering the system rather then the system that is at fault. The dunking incident as u have quoted are extreme cases and isolated where power is abused. I dont think we would see this kind of accidents every other day.

To TS, I'm neither a regular or a pro-saf person that is advertising for em.
its just my personal point of view and hope that u can feel abit more positive.

Like i always say, tough training is good training. But if the line tough is blurred, stop and seek help immed. Im absolutely sure that there is someone who is willing to listen to u and do something abt it.

Cheers Smile

LazerLordz SG

We are more than happy to help, but the TS must also remember not to keep asking questions that have been answered too.

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