Reservist NSman called up for first ICT at age 36!

last SG · 2006-09-06T21:30:00+00:00

How is he at blame for not...for what again? The blame lies squarely on the SAF for not calling him up earlier. I think his reservist unit needs a good talk...

KenPlus SG

Haha Expected reply lah,but frankly speaking,it true that he himself knew that he have his obligation for ICT,but mindef should be the one whom do the paperwork mah,i mean the admin are taking taxpayer 's money to do the work right????

LazerLordz SG

One of those “template” replies. Don’t even know if these are real people.

monoslayer SG

someone who wanna score points. Rolling Eyes

Shotgun SG

see if can find his name in the phone book anot lor... arhboh ask him out to lim kopi with u n ask to see his IC.

seriously, i don't see why as an NSman, and taxpayer, we have to put up with this kinda nonsense from Mindef who obviously can't get their administrative sh!t together. End up, wait until ppl 36 years old den kena call up for ICT.

Den everytime when miss IPPT want u to pay fine or call up for ICT, expect prompt actions, every little thing also want to ngeow. Then when they c0ckup chia lat chia lat, either always got some stupid excuse or will cover up like nobody's business.

oxford mushroom SG

You dun have overseas exercise meh? Thought you must have done at least one overseas exercise before you finish..

raymond_sianz SG

Seriously i am always thinking about this question:

If NSmen and NSFs are going to do the fighting? What the regulars going to do? If we pay tax and still have to suffer with this type of crap must as well we become some foreign talent. Foreign talents come here with no liability while we work like a dog during NS life. In the end? do we get better pay? or better respect outside? No!!! we just treated like a fool. So we work hard pay tax and serve NS to allow the government to take in more foreign talent so that we can protect them. Seriously, What is WRONG with the government. The concept doesn't make sense at all. They just copy from whoever country who is using it and just copy whole sale without using their puny little brain. I think must be the SFI food causing them not to think. Follow Management of the SAF forces. Please work at least to your pay scope. Don't throw all the bloody work to the NSFs, We get 350 to 770, I think we deserve some appreciation instead of treating us like a dog. I know Foreign talent can replace us, then make them serve NS then You no need Singaporean who grow up here. You can always employ mecernaries next time. Everything also Foreign one. that day will come.......

lemon1974 SG

i dun think he need to clear all the 10 ICTs in 4 years.

As long as you reach the age of 40, u r discharge from reservist alrd, no matter whether you complete how many cycles.

just like in my ICT unit, we are in the 5th year and some guys are alrd 37-38 years old. And there are some who are 23-24 and who have just join our unit at the 5th year..

dragg SG

i have a camp mate who faced the same problem.

he was called up twice in 12 months for overseas training, 20 odd days each. (different training year)

Chaofan SG

Its Normal. Personal record is lost and so he does not get called up, until recently somehow it pops up and the call him to do his reservist. But tat was then, now yr records are already in the computer system and yr reservist unit allocated to u even before u ORD.[/b]

Ponders SG

COL Benedict Lim have replied..... so predictable..

Sep 13, 2006
In-camp training based on SAF's requirements

I REFER to the letters, 'NSman called up for first ICT at age 36' (ST, Sept 6) by Mr Tan Thiam Huat and 'ICTs may be inconvenient but defence is everyone's duty' (ST, Sept Cool by Mr Ng Chun Shiong.

NSmen are obliged to fulfil their Operationally Ready National Service (ORNS) responsibilities until they have completed their National Service training cycle or reached the statutory age limit, whichever is earlier.

NSmen are scheduled for ORNS training based on the Singapore Armed Forces' operational requirements. Mr Tan is still within the statutory age limit for ORNS and hence can continue with his in-camp training (ICT).

As Mr Ng pointed out, ICTs may be inconvenient but we need to recognise that defence provides the stability for the country and its people to progress.

Mr Tan has been informed of the outcome of his deferment appeal.

There had been a delay in this because of an administrative oversight, and we apologise to him for the inconvenience.

We thank Mr Ng and Mr Tan for their commitment to defence and look forward to their continued support of National Service.

Col Benedict Lim
Director, Public Affairs
Ministry of Defence

CoolMyth SG

Well, it's equivalent to no answer at all. Laughing

Still, his "until they have completed their National Service training cycle or reached the statutory age limit, whichever is earlier." is encouraging.

That means if you reached 40 as a man, you more or less have to go into the reserve list liao, right?

KenPlus SG

administrative oversightHaha very lame and predictable and i am wondering whether will the person whom is responsible for the oversight get something,will the mistake be repeated again? hhahahahahaaa (confirm cover up Mad ) But anyway i think Mr Tan also trying to find fault in this situation cause he should have known that someday they will send him for reservist As an old NSman,he should know that in the SAF no matter how you complain,when the time has come for u to serve,whether as an NSF or NSMan,you still have to serve one loh,complain no use one who know maybe he will get something worse(Unit,etc,etc) since he make such a big issue in the straits times.Hence i think it is best to keep a low profile lah.

pwnz0r SG

It probably is a very common occurance, and just that someone felt out righteous enough to state that he should not be liable.

In any case, it is in the law very clearly. The statuory age limit is 40, until that just suck thumb.

This kind of fella just want to play punk and test the system. In the end also lan lan, just have to serve.

Not happy, then surrender your pink IC and find somewhere else to live. Or else STFU.

Ponders SG

An administrative oversight that was overlooked for... say he ORD'ed at 21 years old...

15 years!!!!!!!!!!!

Gordonator SG

actually one shouldn't blame mindef. it's not their fault. Laughing

always remember, don't assume u are safe from reservist until u are 40 years old. don't think that u are safe even if they don't call u back for years. even if u are 39 years old, u are still liable to be called back.

it is stated very clearly already in the NSman booklet when u ORD. annoying it might be, but what can we do right? Laughing

pqr SG

COL replied in yest ST already

pqr SG

that should not be surprising ...SAF waht

LazerLordz SG

I personally feel that more can be done to improve National Service.

The current climate of immigration is not too good for national defense IMHO.

KenPlus SG

Hmmm i think for this case the nsman should personally call back lah but then mindef still partly blame leh,ok fair enough that there are alot of NSMAN for their records keeping,but dun forget they are earning $$$ from the taxpayers,when this type of thing happened they cannot be excuse also leh
My case is an example i still remember before my enlistment,i call up cmpb after three months of graduation from poly asking when is my enlistment date,they just reply soon,i call again and again but still no news,in the end i waited for one whole yr to be enlisted,i mean the system really need to improve loh or maybe the system is there but the PP(well i dunno lah so no comments).It a waste of my time leh i could be working full time now finishing my degree instead of having to wait for 1 more yr to take my degree.
For my other friend even worst he take the medical checkup after graduation and a week later they received their enlistment letter and the date of enlistment was a day later wahh he have to rush to prepare his stuff sia really jia lat.
I Really wonder what happend with the admin oversightwhose fault it is??? should explain further mah Laughing

Gordonator SG

they won't explain further as this will only embarrass themselves. Laughing

i'm guessing most probably the administrative side consists of NSF clerks. not saying that NSF clerks are no good. but let face it, they are only getting $350 a month, no one getting this miserable salary will be motivated to work their ass off.

if what i'm suggesting above is true, then i think it's about time they really consider hiring professional staffs when it comes to enlistments and NSmen matters.

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