SAF bulletproof vest

last SG · 2005-11-20T07:09:09+00:00

Interesting, thanks. Didn't know about the SSG3000. My earlier remark about OPSEC was more directed at Wuming. I understand his concern at possible revelati...

SpecOps87 SG

Don’t talk about bullet proof vest siahz…I give you ballistic shield also nt enough to protect you from .50cal lahz…Think about it,people can use .50cal to take out vehicle engine blocks,can penetrate through some light armoured vehicles…the bullet vest armour no matter how many plate you put in also not as strong as the armoured vehicle’s armour lor…

ceecookie SG

its not what u think...ask renorenal what the problem is...

and by the way is the Singapore Army using M107 or M82?

its quite good...being able to penetrade 1 mertre of concrete and can knock through multiple ppl at once..with a range of 1500m

Incedrius SG

The Barrett M82 is not the most accurate rifle out there. It's not meant as a sniper rifle, it's meant as an anti-materiel rifle. As of now, the SAF is still using the Steyr SSG. They were evaluating some others for the long overdue replacement of the Steyr...

Beyond that, like what the rifles that were evaluated were, the results of the evaluation and the time-line of the phasing in of the new sniper rifle... I can't tell you. Suffice to say that it's still the same calibre and will NOT be appearing anytime soon in most brigades.

Rockhound SG

its not for anti-personnel use

desiaru SG

ya from 4th CQC ah.. if yes, same same leh.

SpecOps87 SG

Thought confirm replacing with Accuracy International L96A1 already?

Rockhound SG

yeah...thats the replacement...

Hellraiza SG

In practice... Like in so many other schools and courses, some critical lessons are only taught once, then trainees are given ONE chance to try it out in the field, and that one time trying it out in the field is ALSO an assesment. Rolling Eyes

u are SO right about the assessment part.

As for MSG Ross...i tell ya so far for me in the army...he is the ONLY person who can really strike fear in me...i get goosebumps just hearing him shouting. He really won't give a damn who u are, officer or not...but i really respect him, he knows his stuff and is a damn good teacher...

regard the bpv...read in the papers the porcelain(or is it ceramic) plate consists of 20 layers....during a test using a 5.56mm bullet....it penetrated until to 18th layer or something....

Incedrius SG

Hmm, I didn't know news was out so fast? Is this the final result? Got a source for it? Not that I dont believe you... Id just like to see where the information came from.

I wasn't from 4th CQC. But I was there when Ross himself was a trainee during Ex. Born Free. Interesting to see him get stressed out over a VCP. Laughing But the things that occurred during that VCP really showed me the main problem in CQC. No details... But RSM himself decided that it was no point assessing when troopers hardly knew the basics. Better use the opportunity to teach and have field practice.

LazerLordz SG

yes.

SpecOps87 SG

Told to me by Snipers during last yr’s AOH at SAFTI MI. Also,if not mistaken snipers from 6SIR, Protection of Installation Unit is actually using the Swiss made Sig-Sauer SSG3000 7.62X51(.31) calibre sniping rifle.

LazerLordz SG

Ah you were there too eh. Laughing Did you try the SOF's stall's activity?

wuming78 SG

guys, i know it must be really exciting to have passed a demanding course, learnt new stuff and tried extraordinary things. but before you post here, please hold back on your excitement, pause for awhile and ask yourself if what you are going to post is public-domain knowledge. if it is not, or if you are even in doubt, please do not post it here. we don't want the forum implicated for leak of sensitive information. worse still, we do not want to be the source of such a leak! we can never be sure who is reading all these, and what they are trying to glean off what we write! something harmless and inocuous to you may be lucrative information that forms part of the jigsaw for someone else!

thanks! Wink

why not?? SG

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ceecookie SG

Anti Material Rifles like the M82 is quite useful and should be adopted by the Army..if there’s a scenerio where there’s a group of robbers hiding behind a car firing at the police…the snipers using the M82 can just shoot at the car blocking the robbers and he’ll be shot…

SpecOps87 SG

Haha,yeah.Wouldn't have missed it for the world. But this year's NDP Celebration by the Bay,the SOF small-scale "Killhouse" is better then the one last year at AOH.Haha,anyway,SAF also uses the H&K MSG90 for urban areas.Still love the way the MP5 shoots,the lack of recoil and the speed of it.

LazerLordz SG

Me and a fellow tech tried it.The reflex dot is not exactly a very reliable piece of equipment, but then again, it was abused by so many kids.

Incedrius SG

Interesting... Haven't heard about the SSG3000 being used by us before. The AI rifle yes... But never from an official source. It hasn't been officially acknowledged, as far as I know. Which is why I was more interested in knowing SO87's source than the info itself.
Hmm, anyway, all the stuff posted here about limitations in training is common for most schools and courses. Don't worry, I think we self-censor alot of what we write here. But if we DO step outta line with regards to OPSEC, we'll button it up.

LazerLordz SG

If you find any posts out of order, just drop us a line and we'll do a look-see. Very Happy Cheers mate.

Raptor937 SG

A car does not offer much protection from small arms fire, hiding behind a car is concealment not cover. Most common handgun rounds are capable of penetrating the vehicle into the passenger compartment.

In a test using an AR-15 5.56 rifle, the rifle was fired at the front of the vehicle. The rounds that did not hit the engine traveled through the firewall and dash, through both front and rear seats into the rear storage compartment and exited through the bumper.

A car offers less protection than one is led to believe from movies.

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