Why semi-auto pistol not favoured over revolver

last SG · 2006-09-28T01:50:30+00:00

You mean you will field strip the persons iszit? Naked persons with guns......Dangerous combination leh. Dont quite understand your humour.

viciouskitty74 SG

Happens to me at a competition. broke my nail trying to push down the plunger to remove the empty shells.

Still, I think its how it was maintained. Clean out elephants thoroughly and oiling it before and after use is essential.

SpecOps87 SG

Wow...admirable that you use a revolver for competition. Is it IPSC? If so, its really admirable. Very Happy Anyway,just curious,anyone experienced with those revolvers which can hold like 7 rounds instead of the usual 5/6 rounds?

Deunamist SG

Most prob is normal SPF shooting comp lah.. Mr. Green

Speaking of shooting comps, shit bloody hell I missed the application for the NPCC Officers' .38 shoot Crying or Very sad

Ponders SG

Gun borrowed from Singaproe sports council who in turn are licensed by SPF.

viciouskitty74 SG

Nope. .38 revolver for SPF's mini shooting competition. Long Long time ago!

IPSC, I used pistol.

7 rounds? Nope, never, let me see if i can find some details about it.

Deunamist SG

wa. got such thing ah? Shocked

I tried searching but no results. heard of 7 round pistols before but never revolvers.

M©+square SG

Main reason is IA stoppages. (heard from my weapon training officer, i find this reason made the most sense.)

The revolver is only used on life threatening instances. - Final resort.
The moment an officer draws out his revolver, he is sure that his rounds will discharge.

The probablity of Pistol stoppages compared to Taurus are 4:1?

For a pistol, if there's stoppages.
It will take officer some time to fumble with clearing of rounds or reloading magazine.
Which will be too late to fire. Either he or someone will be hurt/killed by then.

Why officers will take time to clear IA?
-Because Police in SG seldom or don't use their weapons!
Only in once a year they get to shoot like nobody's business.

Then again, there are some pistol jams you just can't clear on your own...got to bring back to armoury.

-It takes money to re-train officers on new weapons. Twisted Evil

-At this moment, only GC and some SOC contingent carries pistol.

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I saw OCS cadet officers training using a pistol at range. Infact, i heard all officers Lit and above will carry a handgun-pistol with them during Ops.

DriftingGuy SG

A revolver is so much cooler than a pistol Cool

SpecOps87 SG

Haha,especially Dirt Harry

viciouskitty74 SG

US officers carrys 2 weapons.

One pistol and another revolver as backup.

In matters of IA of the pistol. At least still has the revolver.

For those trained in M16 or at the least HKMP5, clearing the IA from the Pistol is the same as clearing the IA from the rifles.

And with training in IPSC or IPDA, clearing the Pistol is imperative so as to minimise time spent clearing the weapon and presenting oneself as a target.

Deunamist SG

It's a Sig Sauer P226/8 right?

M©+square SG

I suppose? Not sure leh. Laughing

martin_lim85 SG

i remember pilot uses p226

i-SHOT SG

Guys, if I may...

1) No way you can reload a wheelgun faster than a semi-auto. That's at least 2.5 seconds versus 1.5 seconds

2) The wheelgun has less part than a semi-auto; which one do you think is easier to clean?

3) IA for a revo - squeeze the trigger again until it goes bang. IA for a semi-auto is tap, rack and squeeze.

4) The revolver is less of a jam-o-matic than a semi-auto.

There has been much speculations about why a revolver versus a semi-auto and I personally don't know the answer to that. It could be one of the reasons some of you have indicated or all of it combined including the possible fact that someone must have thot that the revo is more idiot proof.

LE incidents are different in Singapore as opposed to the US. Will 5 rounds do the job? Maybe, maybe not, just look back at past history. Given a choice, I'd rather have a high capacity magazine.

I just cleaned my Glock and I have 2 loaded mags sitting in front of me. One's a ten rounder and the other is a 17-rounder. Which one should I load before I put it into bedside drawer? That's a no brainer and I'd rather have a semi-auto than a revo.

If revo is the only choice, then stick with S&W 'cos the Taurus is a real PITA.

the.owl SG

revolver is more powerful? Laughing

viciouskitty74 SG

Another argument, lets try with it.

Revolvers requires a double action, meaning some time before the bullet actually flies to decide that your opponent must die? So revolvers means a time to regret the action?

I agree. I hate the Taurus, stupid laser thingy is never at all helpful when its really needed. I aim better with my eyes closed at a dark/nite range.

Especially when you need to grip that butt to activate it. My hands are small, it doesnt grip all the way. Grip too much in front, the gun went aiming barrel down. The J frame, except without the weaver stance.

SpecOps87 SG

Glocks are the way to go!!!

But the revolvers if I'm not mistaken can hold larger calibre rounds unlike that of the semi-auto. Anyone tried the S&W AirLite series before?

Personal preference is a semi-auto handgun as (1)it holds a large magazine,(2) reloading is easier,(3) easier to mount accessories ie.enlarged magazine well,compensators etc.

i-SHOT SG

How do we figure that? Wink I know S&W has the 500 Magnum and it does go ka-boom instead of bang but there are heavy calibers in semi-auto too; a .50 caliber 1911 for instance. Yes, there are wheelguns with Dirty Harry style calibers but if you're talking police issue for departments, sorry bro that statement doesn't fly.

Bro, so are some semi-autos. They come in single, single/double, DAO (double action only), etc. I've shot revos that have a sweeeet 6 pound trigger and at the same time the NYPD Glocks have triggers that are 12 pounds. But let me tell you something else...

If you have decided to draw and engage, no amount of trigger weight will make a damn difference when the adrenaline flows through your body. You wil mash the trigger when the brain says 'shoot!'.

Some folks consider heavier trigger for fear of accidental discharges (AD). The bad guy is front of you, you told him to show his hands, your finger is on the trigger at this point and the adrenaline, as I've mentioned, is flowing. If you had a super light trigger, that death grip is going to result in an AD.

Amen, sister (edited thanks to Deunamist). The Taurus is rough. And I have to agree with that laser grip issue. I have personally seen SPF officers who are 'chasing the dot' during a course of fire. Instead of looking at the target and where they need to deliver the shot, they're bouncing all over the target. And if you fumble the draw and don't activate the laser, what happens then?

Don't get me wrong. I think the laser is a great aid BUT rather than teach the recruits to sight with the dot, teach them the basics of sight picture and alignment. The laser is there to confirm and assist your basics.

Spec, if your talking IPSC, I can understand the comps and the large mag well. If we're talking police issure here, that ain't gonna happen.

Personally I do not have any problems if I am issued a revo or semi-auto, if I am LE. It all bores down to practice; if you don't practice, you ain't gonna react fast, shoot fast and shoot accurately. My only problem is if you're gonna issue a revo, why only a 5-shot wheel? I'd like to know the reason behind that.

Deunamist SG

Gun crimes are not widespread in Singapore. How often do you see gun-wielding criminals? Its not logical to issue every single officer with a 20-round pistol with an additional 20-round magazine when they don't get to fire it often. And if one happens, would you rather compromise no. of rounds or the stopping power of each round?

The rate of SPF officers actually firing their revolvers outside the range just doesn't justify the need and cost of issuing pistols and their related rounds, for service and range use.

If there is a rise in gun crimes, what do we have SOC for? And one more thing, viciouskitty is female Laughing

i-SHOT SG

D, like I said, I do not have a problem with either a revolver or a handgun. What makes me wonder is why the SPF mandated a 5-round 2.5" to 3" barreled M85 Taurus (did I get that right?) rather than a standard 6 shot. They picked a firearm that is a tough to find accessories for. Even a standard holster for the M85 is hard to come by in the US. Only reason I know is that I tried looking for accessories for the damn thing to submit for a bid and all my distributors had no idea if anyone makes anything specifically for the M85. If they had stayed with a J-frame S&W....

BTW, no disrepect but I don't think it has anything to do with the 'stoping power of each round'. It's a 38; in some competitive events in the US, that caliber is banned because it is under powered. In our circle, a carry caliber is nothing smaller than a 9mm. A 38 or 32 is almost always relegated to that of a back-up gun.

Anyway, you're right to say that this is Singapore. It doesn't have the crime rate like others do. That said, the world is changing. I am pretty sure someone at Home Team Academy is asking themself if the SPF needs to go to semi-autos in the near future. The 5 year period (??) for the M85 will be up very soon.

Whoops! Embarassed My apologies, ma'am.

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