Hi too to Synasta,Thusness and AEN for all your replies to
nicely explain your points :)
Maybe before i should self intro myself abit before people think
I start shooting off or being abit aggresive to share which is not
my real purpose here because bringing others doesnt not interest me
to the least bit,but i do hope people will think and look at the
path in a different or perhaps a more realistic and achivevable
view:)
I am someone who is more into meditation myself first and sutta
studies came later in my life.I have studied under afew master of
the theravada sri lankan and thai forest tradition.(however im am
still learning and learning....)
Maybe i should reply all of you base on this stanza that AEN
posted:
"This doctrine
is profound, hard to see, difficult to understand, calm, sublime,
not within the sphere of logic, subtle, to be understood by the
wise." Majjhima Nikaya
In terms of right view,I do not think and never express that one
should not share at all,because the path ahead sometimes is not
always taken alone.sharing is needed but have anyone here think
before,if you approach a sitting with so much views will it cloud
the realities that should be seen?
I agree with Synasta view on the diff of buddhism and others but
now i ask u back,in terms of right view,are we trying to achieve
path and fruits right view based on personal experience or just
believeing and further sealing this confirmation on the text or on
someone who we think is the expert in this field? is this suppose
to the the type of right view one should have?
Details to share on the practice is good but i see alot of
people are quoting texts and suttas to prove them self and to
explain the doctrine,ok now not doing a personal attack here but to
AEN,to your seeing,how long and how sure your seeing experience is
true and consistent and how dreamy and miragy does it turns to be
if you see it personally?
Dear Thusness,at the turning point of realisation do you think
there will be a teacher beside you to tell you which stage of
knowledge you are at ?
please do not bring in the savaka or paceeka thing into here
that is quite off tangent.If yiou can get a teacher who can guide
someone within thought moments beside us do let me know because I
wanted a teacher like this too :)
non-dual and non conceptual samadhi is just a condition where by
the mind merge into the object/mind itself at the point there is
only the knowing condition.It is known in many tradition that such
stage does not producue wisdom BUT without strong samadhi how
do one proceed on to the wisdom step?
in terms of my simplicity "not within the sphere of logic" which
im also trying to say its not by reading memorising or by fables or
quotes or comparision that the true understanding is achieved. The
text did say such stage is advanced but there is of course ways to
reach this stage which is not in the range of reading so much
suttas but putting effort in mindfulness and concentration.
To AEN,heres a trick question on dependent origination,It is
well known that the buddha can see his past life and one mode of
dependant orgination is done this way.However in modern times,for
yogis with weak physic tendency but are training on dependent
orgination since they cannot see DO in terms of past life how is it
to be done? please do now seek out the suttas or talks or books for
this answer:)
What Im trying to say is I see alot of people who have alot of
potiental to move on and scale higher but yet prefer/enjoy "zhi
shang tan bing" The way the path can be progress is not easy
HOWEVER it is not so difficult to the extend that one always need
to read the text to understand it,there are qualifed people around
even in sg who can bring us,if right view forever stay on the text
we will end up as book worms and not buddhist.
Thank you for the reminder that practice is ever so important,
after Right View has been understood.
As for whether insights gained by fellow practitioners are
"miragey" or not, that's for them to know really. So far, I
have understood from fellow forummers that when insight is arrived
at, the sureness and knowingness is undeniable and
inshakeable. I thank them for sharing their travel guide with
us; a travel guide that not only includes maps, but also snapshots
of landmarks enroute to the destination.
Sharing the finer points of how insight may be achieved is
important, so that people don't get stuck at certain phases of
insight. Using analogies also helps most of us understand
concepts that may otherwise be difficult to fathom.
It is precisely because we may have weak psychic tendencies,
that it is all the more important for more insightful practitioners
to give pointers on how the nature of reality may be
realised. I mean it, as in truly realised, and not 纸上谈兵 as
you say. I'm sure that those who share their insights here
are doing this in the interests of everyone.
"If right view forever stays on the text we will end up as book
worms and not buddhist."
Most surely agree with your above statement :)