Warnings to Buddhist about unorthodox sect in Singapore

bohiruci SG

The teachings of Chinese Gelugpa Society is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity

as this rinpoche is not a welcome visitor of HH Dalai Lama Office and H H Ganden Dripa in Dharamsala

Rinpoche Quan Xi is different from Ven Chuan Xi

Ven Chuan Xi is under Ven HaiTao practised Esoteric Buddhism in Chinese Mahayana Buddhism

Quan Xi Rinpoche is under Tibetan Gelugpa Tradition (the yellow hat)

the Dolgyal master have used magic to subdue their opponents in the past

a thing that is not allowed in Buddhist teachings .

maggot SG

If they are accepted into singapore means they are legal and they may sue so do consider before posting such remarks Laughing

laoda99 SG

what is dolyal and why is it probibited?

laurence82 SG

You know, as peaceful as Buddhism is as a faith, I am worried that it will fall into the pattern i see at the other religion, where everyone denounce the other as heretic or cultish or whatever.

Its a worrying sign, and I thought it would be more productive to practise Buddhism than to worry over what is and what is not.

bohiruci SG

that is provided the follow the correct path of passing down the teachings

some ,which are term unorthodox is due to the incorrect cultivation of the 3 poison first

the pursuit of wealth and very little emphasis on teachings

Its one own "yuan" learning from any master

I only use the word "refrain" and not condemn ..

bascially I have little wisdom to help other who deeply in believe in some magical aspect of some heretic master .

Its all in individual "wisdom eye" to decide .

my points sincerely

neutral_onliner SG

well singapore only accept their right to be presence in sg (actually the so-called legal right or license are not difficuit to obtain just lok at the MLM and other weird companies around in sg you will noe wat i mean) but remember it is the World Buddhist Association/committee tat can give the acceptance and the recognition Cool

bohiruci SG

my point is

take it with a clearer view

ask yourself question when u want to practise from them

is there a proper lineage?tracing back to Buddha Sakyamuni

does they always says magical power?

how often they relate dharma to your daily life?

do u see a spiritual calmness when you practise that ?

all this question apply to all organisation under the Buddhist umbrella .

Cool

neutral_onliner SG

thnks i see ur points.Thus i always say pple need to understand the basic concept of buddhism and learn to apply it to our daily life Cool

An Eternal Now SG

Thanks for pointing this out to our readers Smile

Heard from Sinweiy that they are opening an exhibition at the year end.

Here is a complete list of Schools/Traditions/Sects NOT Recognised In Our Forum

Ito_^ SG

things are not what they seem in buddhism. Laughing

An Eternal Now SG

Buddhism is the most peaceful religion, we do not accuse other 'denominations'/sects as long as they are of the Mainstream Buddhism and does not deviate into other practises.

For example, New Kadampa Tradition and Chinese Gelugpa Society worships a worldly spirit, and this practise is condemned by the whole Tibetan Buddhist community including the Dalai Lama himself. Therefore, CGS is not a Mainstream Buddhist tradition and is not recognised in Buddhism.

See our ex-moderator's reply regarding them:

laoda99 SG

Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

Buddhism is the most peaceful religion, we do not accuse other 'denominations'/sects [b]as long as they are of the Mainstream Buddhism and does not deviate into other practises.
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so denominations/sects is also a prob in buddhism? haizzz..I think in all "faiths" cannot be avoided...

what is mainstream buddhism? i only know mahayana and ...oops...sorry the other one practised by thai/sri lanka buddhism.

IMHO, when religion spreads, it absorbs "local favours" and syncretism develops....like shinto merge with buddhism in japan, taoism merge with buddhism/confucianism in china

BTW, is there a clear guideline as to what is heresy in Buddhism?

An Eternal Now SG

Mainstream Buddhism are Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana Buddhism.

And denominations and sects is not a problem in Buddhism actually. Because we generally see denominations and sects in a different light. As long as the teachings of each 'sect' follows the guidelines of the 3 Dharma Seals it should be OK.

And also, it is a common view among Buddhists that there are '84000' dharma doors in Buddhism - that Buddha taught not only one dharma door for enlightenment but many different kinds of dharma doors - a person only need to focus on one to attain enlightenment. For example zen focuses on meditation and koan and the pure land school focuses on chanting Amitabha. Different patriarches open up different sects according to the needs of the times and focuses on different aspects of Buddhism. And after all, there are enlightened people from all the different schools of Buddhism, so I think this sectarian thing is totally unnecessary.

But of course, there is a history of sectarianism in different times and different parts of Buddhism, but much of it I believe is resolved. As for now, there is very little sectarian tendencies among Buddhists, but you can say perhaps a very minority of them continue to prejudiced in some ways.

Regarding 'heresy', see The Four Seals

Originally posted by _wanderer_:
The entire Buddhist teachings can be summarized in the four seals (in the Theravadin tradition, it is more commonly known as the three seals). Anything that sounds Buddhistic but does not contain the 4 seals is not Buddhism. As such, the 4 seals are often used as a reference for people to distinguish what is Buddhism and what's not.

The 4 seals are:

1. All compounded things are impermanent.
2. All afflictive emotions are painful.
3. All phenomena are empty; they are without inherent existence.
4. Nirvana is beyond extremes.

(there may be other slightly different versions due to translation)

Read a very good teaching on the 4 seals from the following url:

[b]Buddhism In a Nutshell: The Four Seals of Dharma
- Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche

http://www.shambhalasun.com/Archives/Features/2000/Mar00/4Seals.htm

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laoda99 SG

So what will happen to these pple who are into heresy?

An Eternal Now SG

Those who cling on wrong views will not be able to achieve liberation and enlightenment.

laoda99 SG

oh ok.... Rolling Eyes

bohiruci SG

there is but i do not wish to enter into unnecessary legal tussle with them

so follow the guidelines i given earlier

It should help you to decide

An Eternal Now SG

Originally posted by laoda99:

what is mainstream buddhism? i only know mahayana and ...oops...sorry the other one practised by thai/sri lanka buddhism.

Thai/Sri Lanka Buddhism is Theravadin Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism is Vajrayana Buddhism. There is a lesser known Vajrayana Buddhism in Japan, known as Shingon Buddhism.

IMHO, when religion spreads, it absorbs "local favours" and syncretism develops....like shinto merge with buddhism in japan, taoism merge with buddhism/confucianism in china

Actually all these are OK.

It is perfectly OK to merge religious customs from Shinto and Taoism, as long as the teachings of Buddhism does not become distorted by them. Like I said - follow the Dharma Seals.

Buddhism is a very flexible religion and can easily adapt to the different cultures of the people - and as for current, it is trying to adapt to western societies.

But one thing though: Buddhism does not worship deities and spirits like the (modern day) Taoists and Shinto. And also, Taoist influence on Buddhism is a much more earlier event - during that time, Taoism also did not have these kind of practises.

laoda99 SG

Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

Actually all these are OK.

It is perfectly OK to merge religious customs from Shinto and Taoism, as long as the teachings of Buddhism does not become distorted by them. Like I said - follow the Dharma Seals.

Buddhism is a very flexible religion and can easily adapt to the different cultures of the people - and as for current, it is trying to adapt to western societies.

But one thing though: [b]Buddhism does not worship deities and spirits like the (modern day) Taoists and Shinto. And also, Taoist influence on Buddhism is a much more earlier event - during that time, Taoism also did not have these kind of practises.[/b]

what are the Lu4 Du4 Mu3 in Tibetan Buddhism? They not deities?

An Eternal Now SG

Originally posted by bohiruci:

there is but i do not wish to enter into unnecessary legal tussle with them

I would disagree that denomination is a major problem in Buddhism - and I think you would agree since you have also studied into many various Mahayana and Vajrayana traditions Smile

But it is true that there is more sectarian tendencies in Japanese Buddhism history.