Night Owl Chatterboxes - Part XXXVI!

av98m SG

no I'm not Evil or Very Mad

that fella is insane.

the Bear SG

you know you wanna Twisted Evil

Laughing

hisoka SG

different values.

i would agree that it hurts others. but then i've often said that technically almost all our actions hurt others.

cheating is bad? but if i think of it from another angle, its just another method to achieve the goals if you don't think its bad. so why is it bad?

I wonder if ths analogy is valid:

we have 2 men, 1 is a warrior/knight with strong convictions about honour and refuses to even run away because its against his honour even if hes against some super warrior that pwns him with eyes closed and limbs tied.

the other is a coward, he runs away, gets help from a sniper to kill the super warrior.

its a one on one situation, 1 decided to fight to death for honour and whatever, the other guy cheats( by the definition of the knight). but is there one of them definitely right?

hisoka SG

hmmz the part about the feet sounds familiar Twisted Evil

now, lets see if our dear cute little rodent will do anythign baout the system when it gets released Laughing

the Bear SG

you work all your life to get what you desire and i come steal it from you...

good?

av98m SG

Yes, different values. your example suggests that the ends justifies the means.

Now, I think LKY should drop dead quickly for the good of the country. However, if given a clear shot at him with a high powered rifle, I will not take the shot. Another person might feel that he/she is doing a good deed by taking the shot.

different values.

av98m SG

she does not get access to my room Twisted Evil

hisoka SG

actualy i think it doesn't say that the ends justifies the means. i feel it more of just says different values.

like the knight thought one on one was fair while the other guy thought it wasn't fair for him if the opponent was overpowered. i don't think any one now would do what the knight did unless there was an overriding reason to confront the opponent like protecting others Laughing

hmmz worked all my life and pple takes it away, sounds so familiar, i think we get that all the time. its called laws, taxes and trade

laurence82 SG

got tie?

the main diff i found among the descriptions seems to the tie

Laughing

those Mormons who approached me, apparently had ties on for the men..

Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, thats what on their namecards

and i passed by their church in newton area now and then, same attire, but again, with tie..black ones from what i saw

hisoka SG

i've said it, almost everythign we do hurts others. if we take out the word steal and jsut put earn or take, does it sound better to you? so if to the person doing the steal, stealing is merely another way of earning the thing?

of course personally i feel its bad, but thinking in another way........ Confused

stellazio SG

about the cheating case, i still rmb our teacher telling us bout this girl who wrote answers on her arm.. but she was such a lousy actress that she got caught few mins after she started cheating.. Laughing

fudgester SG

I work my ass off to get my grades in an honest manner purely from my own effort. And you've all seen for yourselves how much that effort has cost me.

Then some slacker punkass comes along and does better than me because he gets the answers from the fella next to me. Fair?

And your analogy doesn't apply here. I can just as easily say that the knight who fought to the death was dumb to stand his ground while the other was a lot smarter, knowing that he can count on a sniper as reinforcements. So I won't really say that the second knight was cheating; only that he was smarter.

And the second knight didn't exactly hurt the first knight with his actions.

the Bear SG

no.. it is still stealing...

think this way.. i want that from you and i will cheat to get it from you... and when i do, i get away with it.. you are left with NOTHING...

by cheating, i have stolen from those who work hard..

by cheating in exams, i have stolen from the one who worked hard to get that scholarship.. i have stolen the place of those who could get into the university, the class...

what if i stole that place from you by cheating?

you like it?

hisoka SG

hmmz. okz how about if it was 2 on 2, both would have died if just fought, one "cheated" and survived or maybe even saved the other guy although it was against the knight's honour? anyway that was illustrating different values.

hmmz lets see, we work our ass off and get a miserable pay and a miserabl living. some rich ass's kid slacks all his life and has fun while getting lots of money cos he gets money from his dad that lasts him a lifetime and more. i feel its unfair, but i guess thats life.

in fact ia ctually feel the cheating in exams is fairer that the rich kid case. ecause at least in this case the cheater takes risk and requires effort Laughing

anyway my points is i don't feel its right, but if i don't impose my values on others and think along another line, it suddenly turns out all straight. even if it results in a world i don't like. i say this because the world and it values keep changing.
btw i would report the person cos its hurting my grades and i don;t think its right. well that unless its just an unimportant test or exam like sec 3 mid terms

fudgester SG

1. Life may be unfair, but that rich ass kid isn't cheating. So I can't (and never will) have a grudge on that kid.

2. The cheater takes risk and effort, but so did that honest student who takes risk and effort into studying.

3. I don't impose my values upon others, but I hate it when I have to suffer at the hands of people who see it fair to impose their values of cheating on me.

stellazio SG

i personally won't bother bout the cheater or what he's doing. cuz in life, everyone tells lies, he'd just better pray that he doesn't get caught.. but i won't tell on him either.

in life, how many actually work their way up there just via hard work? but we can only sit back and suck it up.

the Bear SG

ends justify the means?

whatever it costs?

even your dignity, your conscience and humanity?

was it worth it?

hisoka SG

i would call it cheating thought probably not directly by the rich kid. grudge? maybe, but its hard to hate when you are not that directly affected.

as i said i would hate it too. hey on the other hand you do what you do and they do what they do. hmmz interestingly if we catch and report them we would be imposing our values on them Confused

the Bear SG

and you are imposing yours on mine when you cheat to take away from me..

think about it...

hisoka SG

i'm sure pple stop some where. its just where's the line you feel is the limit or where you are unwilling to go. not sure if its worth it. some pple do think so.

anyways abit heavy for b4 sleep discussions. i'm hitting the sack. have fun pple

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