hokkien in singapore

last SG · 2009-04-20T09:11:49+00:00

Mostly by Eng Choon to used that word kang. Not sure.No no, Eng choon don't speak that. Mum's root is in eng choon, eng choon people don't speak that. ...

the Bear SG

=> Hokkien Lessons

Fantagf SG

I agree that without a doubt Singaporean Hokkien has been corrupted by other languages, but then, the isolation from China Hokkien has also lead Singaporean Hokkien to preserve older features which are losing ground in respective China Hokkien varieties

eg. I read a latest report last year on in China, 漳州 Hokkien that nowadays the youngsters tends not to pronounce the 入声韵尾 -p -t -k anymore and reduces them to a glottal stop final. therefore a lost of differentiation in the original phonemes. In Singaporean Hokkien, -p -t -k & -glottal stop final are pronounced clearly and audibly (can't quote source, the book is found at Main National Library Chinese Reference Section)

eg. I observed something in Singaporean Hokkien about words originating from 中古韵类's “曾”摄开口一等三等。 this would be a time-consuming topic, i think i will discuss only if you or anyone here request for elaboration

to Singaporean layman, you are right (taiwanese hokkien can call Min Nan Yu 闽南语 / Tai Yu 台语 and our hokkien we call Fu Jian Hua 福建话 Hokkien Wuay or Hokkien)

in the linguistics field, there is 狭义的闽南语 Versus 广义的闽南语, in both cases, Taiwanese Hokkien and our Hokkien are all included in them

chimology.

Hello Kitty SG

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of all dialects...

Man that can't be moved SG

both language can say 70% close. Should be able to understand by both party.

In singapore hokkien not very in depth. compare to taiwan side.

yhjow SG

Other than the Minnan (hokkien) experts from China, I would say most of world's experts on Minnan language (hokkien) are from Taiwan. The Minnan (Hokkien) language and culture in Taiwan is of a high standard largely because there is a government-funded culture body devoted to supporting it. Not only is Hokkien taught in Schools in Taiwan, Taiwan also has a flourishing literary circle comprising of Hokkien poets and writers, who write in Taiwanese Minnan language. Of course, you won't miss the flourishing Hokkien media and pop scene from Taiwan.

Though most Taiwanese are able to speak Minnan, the majority still cannot write in Minnan. It was only the last 20 years in Taiwan that linguists was able to standardize the appropriate Chinese characters used for expressing Hokkien. It would still take more years for the Hokkien language to become widespread in written form.

Bangulzai, you're probably the only Singapore Hokkien expert I've seen.

I'm not a linguist or expert on Hokkien, but I'm trying to learn and pick up Taiwanese Minnan.

Fantagf SG

Anyway, minnan is tough to learn

Fantagf SG

Anyway, minnan is tough to learn

Fantagf SG

BTW, according to the taiwanese tai yu, there are no proper characters to learn from. saw the strokes, look kind of different from Mandarin, and told that it based on tone sound to learn hokkien in taiwan

Bangulzai SG

depends on where you look at this piece of information

i dissect your query one by one:

1. "there are no proper characters to learn from"

There are proper characters for pretty much of the words, and there are also many improper characters for many of the words. Why?

For example:

How to write in Hokkien ? Guess ?

>> issit

Answer:

Dilemma and Solutions:

I will present the problem if we write as 你要吃 or 丽爱甲 (or whatever made-up characters).

Feel free to give any examples from your side for me to expound or explain too, if the above is not being conveyed to you in a clear manner.

2. "It based on tone sound to learn hokkien in taiwan"

Fantagf SG

depends on where you look at this piece of information

i dissect your query one by one:

1. "there are no proper characters to learn from"

There are proper characters for pretty much of the words, and there are also many improper characters for many of the words. Why?

For example:

How to write in Hokkien ? Guess ?

>> issit

Answer:

Dilemma and Solutions:

I will present the problem if we write as 你要吃 or 丽爱甲 (or whatever made-up characters).

Feel free to give any examples from your side for me to expound or explain too, if the above is not being conveyed to you in a clear manner.

2. "It based on tone sound to learn hokkien in taiwan"

the improper characters i saw from the taiwanese programme for tai yu is like jia gu wen i Mandarin.

Thanks for your explanation. Appreciate it.

Bangulzai SG

the improper characters i saw from the taiwanese programme for tai yu is like jia gu wen i Mandarin.

Thanks for your explanation. Appreciate it.

Jiaguwen is both applicable to mandarin as well as hokkien because both languages (or dialects if u wanna call them) utilises the Modern Chinese Script which is decended from Jiaguwen

Example:

you can write Jiaguwen for 龙：

if you know how to read Jiaguwen and you know both Mandarin Chinese and Hokkien, you will still be reading it as Lóng in Mandarin Chinese or Leng / Liong in Hokkien without any difficulty

Fantagf SG

Jiaguwen is both applicable to mandarin as well as hokkien because both languages (or dialects if u wanna call them) utilises the Modern Chinese Script which is decended from Jiaguwen

Example:

you can write Jiaguwen for 龙：

if you know how to read Jiaguwen and you know both Mandarin Chinese and Hokkien, you will still be reading it as Lóng in Mandarin Chinese or Leng / Liong in Hokkien without any difficulty

I know Mandarin but can't identify from the jia gu wen that that is long.

thanks.

Bangulzai SG

I know Mandarin but can't identify from the jia gu wen that that is long.

thanks.

that's why

no one writes in Jiaguwen nowadays for communication

are you very sure u got it quite right the Taiwanese Programme say that Taiwanese Minnan Hokkien uses Jiaguwen and someone call it "improper"

Chew Bakar SG

丽爱甲 Ley Ai Kah (which has no meaning) .

It can otherwise explain in Hokkien as only love the best with her beauty.

汝爱食 Li Ai Tsiah 汝 is old Chinese (Wen Yuan) of (Bai Hua Wen) you (你) of the Spring and Autumn period before Chin dynasty.

Basic Hokkien is a derivative from Chu, best survived in Chu Yuan prose that survived the burning by the Chin. Chin language have no gender hence only 你. Whereas other states such as Chu, Qi etc survives now only as lingusitic dialects.

Hope this help.

Fantagf SG

that's why

no one writes in Jiaguwen nowadays for communication

are you very sure u got it quite right the Taiwanese Programme say that Taiwanese Minnan Hokkien uses Jiaguwen and someone call it "improper"

they did not say improper, it is me who said it. as they show the jia gu wen and explained that the dai yu has not exact character to represent for learning.

kengkia SG

go kopi tiam buy coffee find tutor there, maybe can start with the names of all the beverages

oi ah dee ar!! teh o kosong jit buay!!!!

Fantagf SG

丽爱甲 Ley Ai Kah (which has no meaning) .

It can otherwise explain in Hokkien as only love the best with her beauty.

汝爱食 Li Ai Tsiah 汝 is old Chinese (Wen Yuan) of (Bai Hua Wen) you (你) of the Spring and Autumn period before Chin dynasty.

Hope this help.

Thanks.

Bangulzai SG

丽爱甲 Ley Ai Kah (which has no meaning) .

It can otherwise explain in Hokkien as only love the best with her beauty.

汝爱食 Li Ai Tsiah 汝 is old Chinese (Wen Yuan) of (Bai Hua Wen) you (你) of the Spring and Autumn period before Chin dynasty.

Hope this help.

丽爱甲 Ley Ai Kah (which has no meaning) .

It can otherwise explain in Hokkien as only love the best with her beauty

LOL, of course 字面上 it is interpreted as such, but never "You Want To Eat" !

汝爱食 Li Ai Tsiah 汝 is old Chinese (Wen Yuan) of (Bai Hua Wen) you (你) of the Spring and Autumn period before Chin dynasty.

There are many layers to the explanation. I will explain one by one here:

Bangulzai SG

they did not say improper, it is me who said it. as they show the jia gu wen and explained that the dai yu has not exact character to represent for learning.

what is dai yu?

Fantagf SG

what is dai yu?

The taiwan hokkien is called tai yu

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