Self Defense

last SG · 2009-03-08T01:23:26+00:00

If anyone is interested in SWORD martial arts, I'm training NihontoDo with Samurai Sports Singapore. It's a school of Kenjutsu, Japanese sword fencing.http:/...

Herzog_Zwei SG

well, thy have been doing research into such areas for a couple of years, and the chief coach has had 17 years of martial arts experience? Heard that he has quite a number of street fights encounters too.. not to say that he goes around looking for fights of course.. haha!

hm... they do have specific sets of knowledges, from awareness, prevention, to defuse and the final defending yourself. heard from my friends that they have a couple of specific set of core training models in how they teach. They teach the most often neglected emotional and physcological factors by most instructors too..

hm.. i might be joining them for classes, after my exams though.. hee... aiya, no harm going to take a look too, they let you in on a trial lesson first and if you're ok, then join in, if not, just leave lo.. My friends after they joined the trial, they requested for another few more, and they agreed! And the 1st trial lessons they went to, they were already teaching my friends with nothing to hide.

aiyo.. you guys are always quarreling around, how to have a good perception of things lehz..anyway, the chief coach has started a new FAQ through his personal mail, [email protected], direct any enquiries or questions you guys might have to him ba..

Because the definition of self-defence is not well-known. As I said before, it's up to who you are defending against, not the methodology is the difference.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Krav maga is not to be taken lightly. Very lethal and can kill a full grown man if the technics are done properly. Saw some videos and those Krav maga artiste can take on up to 30 man in a street fight cause they only take less then 2 seconds to bring on down and almost... *epps* instants kill them. Krav Maga is not only the art of self defence, its the art of counter defence killing. Defend, counter, kill. Scary no wonder the isrealites use it. Very very effective.

Krav maga is a physical contact technique, if the blow is blocked, the killing strike is rended ineffective. Ki techniques like 隔山打牛 or Gyudoryu karate joint-locking punch are created to deal with people who like to block the killing blows. So technically speaking, krav maga is great for dealing for dealing with huge groups of amateur fighters, against masters of ki discipline, it might get into trouble.

Kyutake SG

Dear Herzog_Zwei =)

Its true that every technics have their pros and cons. I practice Krav Maga when i was overseas went on a little course. I believe TS wanted to seek a martial art that he/she could find it of use with instant effect on defending one self in the streets. True that once a Krav Maga Killing technic is block its rendered much useless but Krav Maga does not land just one killing strike. A simple technic would be something like this.

Kick/Knee to Groin > Sledge fist to temple > Eye strike > Throat strike > Right elbow slice> Left elbow slice > Coup de grace > Rear naked choke > Weaken the enemy and end it with a Neck twist which ends in an almost instand death.

All these movements are executed within seconds which involves a simple three step killing technic inside. Throat strike, Coup de grace and Rear naked choke. To do a neck twist a rear naked choke must be dealt properly.

Ki techniques take years to master and maintain so i believe that for one that has a faster option within a span of a year to be able to defend oneself at a certain degree would be Krav Maga.

So no offense to it ya? Im just giving TS a lethal martial art that could help him in normal day circumstances and that could be learnt within a shorter period but as usual all martial arts that years to master just that some are easier to execute at the moment of adrenaline.

Uraniumfish SG

Dear Herzog_Zwei =)

Ki techniques take years to master and maintain so i believe that for one that has a faster option within a span of a year to be able to defend oneself at a certain degree would be Krav Maga.

You learned how to kill people?

KaYaBrEaD SG

wow seem like a lot of debate on martial art here. Well for any martial art u do, Passion is the thing that will last. Once u choose it, maintain it and tried to explore it. Any senior / aka black belt to any martial is the beginning journey of learning. There is no fool proof to any martial art, it the person using it that see the different. For wat i think stamina is the more of impt thing as in sparring, if stamina run out, u couldnt even stand up properly.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Dear Herzog_Zwei =)

Ki techniques take years to master and maintain so i believe that for one that has a faster option within a span of a year to be able to defend oneself at a certain degree would be Krav Maga.

The moves will work on any idiot streetfighter but on adepts of any martial arts, I highly doubt so. If the same moves were tried on a shaolin martial monk of at least 16 years, the krav maga practitioner will get a broken shin or dislocated knee from the strike to groin, a broken wrist from attempting a sledge fist to temple from a iron-head counterstrike, a couple of broken ribs from a drunken fist bob and forehead bash due to trying to eye strike, nerve strikes to both elbow slices which leaves both arms paralysed for a good 10 minutes and grinning widely when attempting a throat strike and dislocating the neck as the last 2 moves will never work on the martial monk.

Herzog_Zwei SG

You learned how to kill people?

Krav maga has developed techniques to deal with terrorists and suicide bombers and all are deadly as there is no second chance in an urban close combat environment.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Well, there is always learning martials arts for fun or learning for surivival. You are describing learning for fun while learning for survival which often self-defence, you have no idea what you will be coming up against, hence everything possible is a good chance for you to survive.

Kyutake SG

Your imagination very vivid uh. You should go read up books about each martial arts and understand them fully.

ALL martial arts have their pros and cons. A Shaolin monk will die in a war why? because they can't disarm a gun or a rifle. Their quick amount of fist won't have a peck on bullet resistant armour. You can't put a shaolin monk with a warmonger. They will fight and prolly just end up with a draw. what does the age have to do with him hitting a whatever age the krav is? Your funny serious =)

KaYaBrEaD SG

to: Herzog_Zwei

Are there Krav maga martial art in singapore?? But how often do u disarm a hand gun,at most in singapore u will only disarm pple with parang or kitchen knife. No offend, i take martial art as a passion. As for survival i think singapore is quite save enough.

Coach Jason SG

Thanks Huizi for your many compliments. =)

Thanks to your idea, i've started a exchange of FAQs through my mail for all kinds of questions regarding self defense and our work. Also, I'll be in forums such as this giving my 2 cents worth of knowledge. Because as in comments and feedbacks received, there are alot of keyboard and electronic warriors around and my opinions might help to clear the air about some DT and SD issues lingering in a lot of people'smind. Of course, I would not wish to incur the wrath of such electronic warriors.

What I'm trying to do is to add value to knowledge already known and those unknown. hey, knowledge should be shared right.

Anyone out there with questions, feel free to shoot!

Btw, from what i see here, seems that the DT and SD community locally is still alive and breathing ;)

Coach Jason SG

Guys,

Well.. didn't manage to scroll through all the pages of posts here and no offense, they are kinda "messy".

However, we have a blog: http://teamidact.blogspot.com

Hope you can find some answers you might want to know there.

Jason
Chief Coach
I.D.A.C.T Tactical Systems

Herzog_Zwei SG

Your imagination very vivid uh. You should go read up books about each martial arts and understand them fully.

Shaolin monks cannot disarm a gun or rifle? Have to be kidding me. Shaolin monks have participated in several wars throughout history and the last battle was when artillery and rifles were used against Shaolin Temple and the attackers of Shaolin Temple had a 10 to 1 numerical superiority against the martial monks. In the end, the monks won the battle at great cost. Yes, quick fists from a martial monk won't have any effect on a kelvar vest as who in living hell would aim blows at the kelvar? 隔山打牛 is the only possible technique I can think of with no other possible moves left. I was talking about the age of a martial monk, if I remember correctly, martial monks start their training at age 4.

Kyutake SG

and i believe mike tyson would punch the living daylights out of their lightbulbs head. Your so funny i cant stop laughing. Good imagination =) Applauds~ face the fact that your shaolin wushu is not the best. If your implementing that martial arts are grown with age and not research then would'nt Prakration be the god of all martial arts? Do not under estimate all martial arts. Shaolin is more on fast combos. Most chinese wushu lie in the strain of fast combos. Just in case you do not know. Krav Maga is a martial art that caters to urban life. So please do not mock the martial art that many people are picking up today as self defence. The war now is different. Ask a shaolin monk to fight in this century war and he will die faster then a marine. FYI Shaolin monks cant fly. If they can tell them to prove me wrong. And what iron head. Take gun shoot also dead. Iron head. Tsk... What joke.

Kyutake SG

Oh and every martial art no matter how good it is at the end of the day its just the split second reaction and body memory that counts. Every blow is as lethal. Remember that before you blubber and read the thread properly on the question ask would you? His living in an urban population ya? urban martial arts are more suitable.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Did I state that Shaolin Wu Shu is best? I am just stating that any martial arts with qi training is better than those without , using Shaolin moves to compare with Krav Maga. Akido has some qi blows to deal with martial artist who wear kelvar armour with hard to disrupt stances. Karate is another martial art that emphasize on ki, especially the guryudo. I still feel Krav Maga is very useful for dealing with groups of amateur fighters as the moves rely on being hard,fast, sharp hence maximum effieciency. But when surrounded with groups of trained ki using martial artists, krav maga will be sold short. So in terms of self-defence, can anyone predict what you will face in the future? Please don't tell me Krav Maga practitioners can fly.

Kyutake SG

omg ur priceless zwei you misunderstood me. Please really WAHAHAHAHAH~ *gaffaws* omg omg... i cant stop laughing hahahaha!!!

No u did not state but u sure did praise them to sky nine. I did not say Krav could be like redbull who will give you wings. Yes Ki technics are indeed strong but like i was saying, at the end of the day humans needs something more practical. Krav maga is made up from researching many other martial arts including wushu. so you have to admit there will be ki technics inside. Ask master -.- he and i practiced Krav Maga for quite some time. Irregardless you should not be bias in stating Ki fighters are better then none ki fighters. Boxing is none ki. Simple pyhsical brute strength but it can take down a bull or a bison in an instant when trained properly. someone like mike tyson proved that you can deal a instant kill bowl without ki technics. Every martial art is balanced. Pros and cons alike.

Read it up and you will notice how many martial arts there arethat is very deadly and they are non-ki. Muay thai is Non-Ki also yet it is extremely devastating. The amount of blows they can receive it stunning. But its not ki its just plain trainning. Shaolin monks have a wide vast of martial arts experience. But sad to say, future can only advance not go back. Old stuff don't go new ones won't come. Shaolin monks or Krav artiste or not this world is reality.

Face one thing no matter how powerful a martial artiste you are humans will remain humans. You do not see a shaolin monk nor Krav artiste disarm a nuclear bomb have you? Face it our world has change. Urban self defence is the best option for anyone of us now. Not the perfect option but it is definately the best urban option you will have. As you say you won't know what the future lies. But at least always be sure that guns and knives do. A bullet can still kill if you do not have the proper infomation. And yes shaolin monks can't disarm a gun in split seconds like a Krav could but a Krav could not disarm a spear as fast as a shaolin monk can. Like i say Pros and cons.

I talked to you nicely replying with what you said despite you mocked me already at that point of time. So why not just reflect that what you have done only shows you have no respect for martial arts because your bias. You watch too much shows. Humans are humans. We all have a limit break the limit you break your body. Simple logic aye? Does one need to master Wushu just to take down a few thugs? how many millions of masters are there in this world could you tell me? No but i definately can tell you that there are many Thugs. So if your in the right mind. Should'nt Krav be more practical? Since you insulted it with amatuer fighters. Face it. One nuclear holocaust even your ki can't save you neither can krav.

Short Ninja SG

Simi Taiji???

Coach Jason SG

Hm...If you guys don't mind, may I say something?

The face of the DT and SD community globally has changed alot over the last 1 - 2 decades. From the 80s where Karate, TKD and most striking arts became the craze, to the 90s where the UFCs first appeared that shot Royce Gracie and his family to fame, and that was when grappling, BJJ etc became the next craze. To the current times, MMA and Reality based systems are catching up.

Over the many years, alot of new guys and systems are helping to spread the word of the importance for the need to be self proficient in protecting ourselves, in all areas, emotional, physcological and physically.

One of the foremost pioneers that started such a change, is Bruce Lee. Allow me to quote him:

"Before I learnt the art, A punch was just a punch, A kick was just a kick. When I was learning the art, A punch was no longer just a punch, A kick was no longer just a kick.

After I understood the art, A punch was still just a punch, A kick was still just a kick."

These were the words that Bruce Lee once said they have influenced how a lot of people viewed the various arts, styles and systems all over the world. It has also influenced myself personally on the way I hold my trainings. These words invoke thoughts, I hope it'll help to invoke the way our local community think as well, in a positive way of course.

Short Ninja SG

Now I would like to quote meself 'If I punched you and you thought it was a kick,you better run but if you kicked me and I thought it was slap,you better run fast.

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