Born muslim converts to other religion

last SG · 2009-05-11T01:22:17+00:00

Not all finding God.Some people are too caught up to work so hard to make ends meet. Some are working hard to pursue their dreams.

Kyutake SG

HALLUJUAH! or haleluya? sorry i cant spell hebrew.

sm93 SG

baik ah raraken! glad you are on our side man. aniwaes TS think carefully first. you might gain a new faith but you MIGHT lose your famlily. im just saying my piece mans...

Fantagf SG

HALLUJUAH! or haleluya? sorry i cant spell hebrew.

It is hallelujah! Means Praise the Lord!

Hellraiza SG

im seriously curious. Princess mentioned air wudhu and zikir. What are those!?

Northboundsnow SG

Almost every society whether it is here in rainy escape-prone Singapore or in debt-ridden America, most people are sensitive on issues regarding religion. May get flamed for this, but I do question Issac's motive for creating such a thread here. After all if he needed support there is church and there are far more Christian/Catholic forums that can cater to him, (did he read the pamphlets and books to new converts?) Kinda make me question Issac real motive for posting here, really sympathy or Trolling?

Last but not least i will like to know how the response will be if some1 started a thread here about a Catholic who converted to say Islam and ask for support here too and how every1 here in this thread will respond. Not so nice when the shoe is in the other foot

PS: Morale of the story is no matter which religion u are, if u convert to other religion, U WILL be obstracized or shunned by your community from past religion. Only time may and may not heal these rifts.

Master -_- SG

im seriously curious. Princess mentioned air wudhu and zikir. What are those!?

Air Wudhu is ablution prior to the 5 daily prayers or special prayers by which every Muslim needs to take. Sequential from rinsing your mouth, your face, your arms, your forehead upwards, your ears and your legs.

Zikir or Dzikir is a prayer where you are at one with Him..u immerse yourself deeply in this prayer and you use the rosary beads specifically for Muslim use to pray..akin to speaking in tongues in some denominations of Christianity.

xtreyier SG

Everyone must be allowed a voice, no matter where, regardless if it is by the roadside or in the hallowed halls of Parliament.

We are no longer the uneducated citizens of the 60s. While we may not be masters of knowledge for education is never ending, we do have the sufficient intelligence to critically analyze and rationalize another's perception and views.

We must never fear the spoken word, for fortifide with our faith and comprehension, we can either consider it or resoundingly thrash such thoughts. But NEVER to deny a person a voice, even such as yours.

The more we claim sensitivity, political correctness, the more such voices will be attuned underground and will only do more harm to society.

Rather, lets us have our arms outstretched, palms facing upwards and with a genuine respectful open heart to seek understanding, without fear or favour. It is only with thorough understanding that we can leave this world a better place for you and me and our next generations to come.

stupidissmart SG

I believed tat some people who state tat catholic and muslim r almost the same religion to be misleading. They r not the same and the believers, including the family of the TS, probably do not believe so.

1) If u chose to be public about your real belief, prepare for a backlash. All those friends who have the same religion as u will probably shunned u and have nothing to do with u. The ties of friendship or relation cannot overcome zealous religious convictions. Unless your family is not deeply convicted in your religion, u r going to see arguments, probably disowning and fights. Your new religion gonna offer little practical help except praying for u. Of course things may turn out to be fine in the end if they convert to your religion. However a whole group of muslim converting to catholic is highly unlikely and can cause a deep rift between the two groups of believers

2) If u chose to remain the same religion, then obviously if the new religion is the right one, u r going to hell. (U can end up in heaven if the old religion is the right one though) U r going to follow practices u do not believe in and tis can be frustrating

U r an adult. Choose your road yourself. Why not take some time too cool down before committing ? It is like divorce... it is going to be messy

xtreyier SG

U r an adult. Choose your road yourself. Why not take some time too cool down before committing ? It is like divorce... it is going to be messy

Isn't it a surprise that an avowed atheist - one who denies the existance of God and the rejection of God's word and its affairs should be participating in godly issues, worse still dishing out advice on godly matters?

While no one is a model of religious perfection, at least the religious do not deny the existance of a higher being. Atheist, in a free society, do have a right to spout their godless nonsense, but have they no sense of shame of their own credibility?

dumbdumb! SG

well.. i think stupidissmart is just being rather upfront and honest about it.

like you said.. everyone must be allowed a voice. =)

and i agree with him - islam and christianity, even though both are considered abrahamic religions, aren't the same.

and this fact is reflected by the reactions of either parties when someone converts

stupidissmart SG

Sorry but I, u and the TS r living in the real world, not a make believe world and the advise I give is in line with the modern world. Religious conflict is more of a real world issue, not scripture because the solution offered by scripture is really just guard your believers from converting while encouraging others to join u (especially christian).

No where in tis thread I ask him not to convert. I ask him to consider real life problems if he handle it badly. U think just believing without considering the consequences from the real society is helping ?

Wat is the point u r conveying ? Because atheist r godless so they have no right to say anything otherwise they r shaming themselves ? I think the person sprouting such nonsense r the one that should be shamed

Miracles&Prophecies SG

You know atheists believe that there is no God.

Believers believe in God

Followers know their God

So who's living in a fantasy world

stupidissmart SG

Ehhh... believers and followers ? Simply because there is no scientific evidence of god ? fantasy is really a supposition based on no solid foundation

Fantagf SG

Religious topics are always mei wan mei liao

dumbdumb! SG

*munch munch*

Fantagf SG

TGIF, dumb dumb

dumbdumb! SG

TGIF, dumb dumb

TGIF indeed. =)

working this weekend though. *cries*

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Ehhh... believers and followers ? Simply because there is no scientific evidence of god ? fantasy is really a supposition based on no solid foundation

As for believers:

You know how does an ordinary Singapore citizen know that they have a government who runs things supposedly on their behalf since it claims to be a republic.

It's because when they want to go out they know there's a well managed public transportation that they can take. They know not the persons who are in charge to control how a bus lane gets designated or at what interval the bus should pass at the terminal. They may not know who was the person who ordered the mrt to be built. They know not who put the quota on the number of taxi in Singapore. They know not who the man responsible to make their night sleep a safe one.

But know what, they know that they have a running government. They put their faith in their government because they don't know exactly how the country is run. The government call these kind of people, its people

As for followers,

Mr Tan works for the government. He saw his boss, a state minister and even sometimes get to meet the head of government. So he knows that the government is running the country because Mr Tan is part of that government. he witnesses his boss leadership and where it took them and the people of Singapore exactly. He doesn't only believe that the government is well running but he knows it's run and even how it is run. The government call people like Mr Tan its friend

As for atheist,

Try bringing a man from an isolated island who since birth never saw anybody else aside from his own family to Singapore. He doesn't believe that there's so called government that runs Singapore. He believes so because he wants to be able to do just about anything he wants just like in his little isolated island. He never saw the world as we see it and is so convinced that whatever is happening in Singapore is because it is so and not because there is a government body running the country. No matter how Mr Tan is trying to tell him. The government call these kind of people a rebel.

Kyutake SG

AND TMR SAT IS MY BIRTHDAY~! YAY~!!!! One year older liaos~

dumbdumb! SG

happy birthday =)

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