Ask your MLM Questions Here

last SG · 2010-06-16T10:57:08+00:00

Based on updates from my friends, it seems that there are quite a number of new mlm companies recently.Are the questions answered in this thread sufficient f...

aya yamamoto SG

hi, i'm doing a academic project on MLM and i would like to know if it is legal for MLM companies to use advertising to promote their company? If it is legal, then why are the companies not using advertising? because someone told me that MLM companies are not allowed to use advertising... enlighten me please!!!

thanks.

aya yamamoto SG

hi, i'm doing a academic project on MLM and i would like to know if it is legal for MLM companies to use advertising to promote their company in Singapore? If it is legal, then why are the companies not using advertising? what will happen if they do advertise? because someone told me that MLM companies are not allowed to use advertising... enlighten me please!!!

thanks.

Heider Hassan SG

thanks.

Hey aya yamamoto,

Yup it's legal, the only problem is the MLM companies use people to advertise their products or to expand their business and rarely use traditional modes of advertising (TV, Radio etc) Some do but not as prevalent as the traditional business. In terms of online advertisements like PPC, SEO etc, I do see ads around Google but extremely rare. Usually it's being done by the distributors. Yup. Plus, why waste so much training resources the distributors right?

But right now Google is clamping down on all the "money making opportunities" advertisements on their Adwords.

However, some companies does not allow their distributors to advertise using the its name

aya yamamoto SG

Hey aya yamamoto,

But right now Google is clamping down on all the "money making opportunities" advertisements on their Adwords.

However, some companies does not allow their distributors to advertise using the its name

ok... but why didn't the companies use media to advertise? wouldn't that be a better way to reach even more people and build up image?

Heider Hassan SG

ok... but why didn't the companies use media to advertise? wouldn't that be a better way to reach even more people and build up image?

Though it's a good medium to build their brand, most mlm companies don't resort to advertising their business on TV etc. Besides, advertising such money making opportunities on TV will be counter productive as people are skeptical towards these things.

The idea of an MLM company is they are using people to establish their brand. I'm sure you agree that the best way to build a brand is through a satisfied customer right?

That said, you do see occasional advertisements on TV, like LFI and it's Just Diamonds, Amway and their cosmetic ads, even Herbalife advertised on our MRT once.

But you just don't see it as often but when the company is undergoing expansion overseas, then there's a higher chance of it appearing in the media.

It's all about keeping the cost down.

Just look at it this way, the company pays the distributors as their "advertisement" in the form of compensation plans. So why spend even more money on ad campaigns?

the_fallen SG

Hey aya yamamoto,

But right now Google is clamping down on all the "money making opportunities" advertisements on their Adwords.

However, some companies does not allow their distributors to advertise using the its name

Heider..just some corrections..instead of a 50/50 answer why not you ask your uplines more before you attempt to answer this question..gain more information first in future before attempting to reply, don't cause others to fail their university project due to a poor quality reply for lack of proper infomation.

based on what I know.. advertising is perfectly legal..who would say no to profits? having said that, MLM is just another business entity which is legal and therefore able to advertise.

the real reason why companies don't advertise is due to a results delivered by advertisments as compared to results by direct sales agents.

advertisers are just like the middle-man..the company takes the money, delievers the message across via the whatever platforms available via their means and don't actually care for if the advertisement have any impact on positive or negative ROI.

why most companies use sales agents instead of advertisements is primary due to the customer service aspect...an advertisement cannot share the benefits of the products (which come mostly in consumerable forms) unlike the sales agents who are active/walking advertisments that can cater the type of advertisments specifically to the needs and wants of a prospective user/client in solving their concerns and doubts first before pushing the product across in closing a deal.

an advertisement will only spread the news of new products, but look at shopping centers, the reason why customer service consultants/ service support staffs are hired in beauty products sales counters, hospitality venues and services is precisely of the fact that benefits of advertisement is limited and big brands know that fact thus they emphasis a lot of product, customer service training etc.

a customer sales staff can cater the advertisement (verbal ads via first understanding what individual clients wants) before answering in a manner that will please the individual customers' demands.

sales staff can provide more benefits than an ad due to delivery of quality service (increasing the positive impression in the brand, as well as the individual sales staff plus ensuring a possible repeat sales)..so using mlm companies using sales agents is in-fact killing multiple birds with one single stone.

while on the other hand..advertisement is not only costly and does not help in ensuring potential clients/existing clients to remain loyal to the brand nor can it promote any service to meet up to the heavily competitive sales industry to secure a much larger pool of clients.

personal touch or face to face communication is what builds the relationship with customers and just this point alone is sufficent to answer your question.

I hope the you (yamamoto) get a clearer picture now with answers to both your questions.

Plutoclub317 SG

MLM is NOT a GET RICH QUICK business. Anyone who tells you that does not know about or respect what MLM is. MLM is the sustained efforts of a group or netowrk of people working toward a common goal, while having the benefits of creating a residual income over time . . . from DOING THE REQUIRED WORK.

NOTHING COMES FREE - it does not matter what business you are in. To think otherwise is to conspire against the laws of the universe. something does not come for nothing.

I think their are a few challenges people face when entering into the MLM arena. The reality is that most people FAIL at ANY business because they GIVE UP or they do not have good mentors or advisors to help them SUCCEED.When they experience failure, they blame the indusrty or someone else, when in reality they should be looking at themselves as to why they did not stick it out. Success in MLM (as with any other business) is partly a mental attitude as well as a result of ACTION over a sustained period of time.

There are a few factors that contribute to one's success in MLM - in no particluar order, here are some:

- belief in and use of the product or service you offer

- knowledge of your business and its history & the compensation plan

- continued application of a proven system - OR USE OF ONE to help in one's marketing efforts (see WWW.LINELOGIX.COM for a great online system to use with ANY MLM business effort)

- surrounding yourself with people who encourage rather than discourage your efforts

- developing a community of people oriented to the same goals and purpose

- belief and faith in yourself that you will succeedif you only DO NOT GIVE UP

People have to keep in mind that success in any endeavor usually comes over a sustained period of time and effort. It does not come in 2 or 3, or even 6 months, but rather over time.

I have included a great youtube link to Tim Sales video in which he discusses 'DO People Really FAIL in MLM? It is a good overview of perceptions and what to do in order to Succeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FclI8hGQgb4

GOOD LUCK and STICK WITH MLM!!!!

the_fallen SG

NOTHING COMES FREE - it does not matter what business you are in. To think otherwise is to conspire against the laws of the universe. something does not come for nothing.

There are a few factors that contribute to one's success in MLM - in no particluar order, here are some:

- belief in and use of the product or service you offer

- knowledge of your business and its history & the compensation plan

- continued application of a proven system - OR USE OF ONE to help in one's marketing efforts (see WWW.LINELOGIX.COM for a great online system to use with ANY MLM business effort)

- surrounding yourself with people who encourage rather than discourage your efforts

- developing a community of people oriented to the same goals and purpose

- belief and faith in yourself that you will succeedif you only DO NOT GIVE UP

People have to keep in mind that success in any endeavor usually comes over a sustained period of time and effort. It does not come in 2 or 3, or even 6 months, but rather over time.

I have included a great youtube link to Tim Sales video in which he discusses 'DO People Really FAIL in MLM? It is a good overview of perceptions and what to do in order to Succeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FclI8hGQgb4

GOOD LUCK and STICK WITH MLM!!!!

Hey, new user..

Did you not read or understand basic english and not follow rules in the first place?

Of all places, when my first thread posting suggest this is a Question & Answer thread, there you are trying to show-off your "rich" intelligence of the industry when no questions was posted nor any answer was requested..yet you force it onto other people's threads for your own benefit..

Verdict >> User observed to be extremely poor with customer service nor is he/she able to comprehend the rules/guides of sales and servicing plus without even following the basics rules.

Recommendation: Don't even trust/try asking this distributor of any knowledge when this user shows little to zero knowledge to begin with.

This is a typical example of a hard-selling tatic where agents force their information against a client who isn't showing any interest in the topic yet forcing the poor person to listen to a load of junk much akin to raping a lady against her wishes by forcing himself on her like a desperado.

Advice for this user: Stick to the basics first before you even attempt to sell anything. Learn first!!

Plutoclub317 SG

Dear the_fallen:

Do not mistake my response to "YOUR" thread as a hard sale tactic, when I have offered nothing for sale. If you refer to the resource reference or the link provided, be assured it's only for the benefit of and as a resource to others, as I have no distributor affiliation with either. One is a discourse on whether people really FAIL in MLM, while the other is a system tool that I personally use for my MLM business, it is not an MLM.

The purpose of a forum is to share one's experience, thoughts and advice on a topic. To encourage constructive participation is the goal, rather than to berate or belittle others – I believe there is another forum for ranting and raving. Though I am a “new user” to this venue, do not assume lack of intelligence or experience – to do so is only to reveal your own ignorance. If you take issue with one's alleged incompliance with a rule or guideline, a gentler approach might be more welcome and received as encouraging, rather than the HITLER's posture you assume, which might only serve to discourage some. Yes, I have only recently discovered this forum, but you have no clue as to who I am and make some very abrupt, naive assumptions.

I am clear on your HARD SELL influence on this MLM forum. You need to understand, however, you are not the only authority on the subject. Before your blood begins to boil, I claim no authority, though I can and will contribute only to the extent of my experience (whatever that may be). And, you need not make assumptions as to my intelligence either, as you have no clue and lack personal knowledge thereof. Further, your “verdict” lacks any credible, nor do you possess substantiated evidence of my sales/service ability. A wiser approach on your part might be to get to know me before you initiate blind assessment of me and others, as I have seen is a consistent theme you deploy in some of the other posts in this forum.

The very nature of public forums is to promote and provoke discussion. The MLM arena serves as a catalyst to share knowledge with and teach others to elevate themselves as leaders, people who accomplish things and succeed. The forum should not be used as a hammer to drive down nails of discouragement.

I approach the subject with a servant’s mentality, as there is much to learn, as well as the occasional opportunity to mentor. So, before you go around making blind assumptions and conduct public lashing of others, perhaps you should ask a few questions of your own and enlighten yourself prior to acting in your capacity as judge, prosecuting attorney, jury and executioner . . . all in one.

Meanwhile, I will read though the forum rules once again to ensure I am compliant in my response and contribution to the forum.

Respectfully – P. Pluto

the_fallen SG

Meanwhile, I will read though the forum rules once again to ensure I am compliant in my response and contribution to the forum.

Respectfully – P. Pluto

While you may reply in a lengthy manner. the crux of the issue is that you failed to read and observe the rules in the first place.

if you post didn't post in my thread, i will not comment, but the moment you're in my thread, my own rules applies. [if you don't like it here, than don't post in my thread, it's that simple, start your own thread]

my intention is to solve general questions to anybody in any companies, in attempt to clarify general questions from the public.. it is to solve problems and not create more problems or even more questions to confuse the readers which you did in your post reply in case you didn't notice.

when you are doing business, if you make a mistake, admit it upfront and move on, don't give excuses to cover up your mistakes.

any explaination = excuses for failing to follow the rules.

the more replies you give = the more excuses you make = reflects on your incompetency in the subject proper.. period.

FYI: watch videos of Donald Trump's The Apprentice if you don't understand the basics of business

Plutoclub317 SG

Thanks for your reply, the_fallen. The true issue is not any failure to read on my part but rather your desire to muscle up on the slightest misinterpretation or side bar that may be offered from the gallery.

I applaud your intention to help solve problems. Some are more qualified than others, yet I believe most people sincerely want to be of help. There is no need to strike them down – they could be the person who offers you a hand while you find yourself slowly drowning. My advice to you . . . generate a more pleasing approach to your “authority” on the subject and people will respect you more as a person, and not one who talks down to them. No doubt I observe you possess a measure of knowledge, though your people skills need a little honing.

As for “YOUR” thread, yes . . . you make the rules in your own kingdom, but you are now in public domain. No one said I did not like it either (read my post) . . . this is again a false assumption on your part.

And, to the contrary, my original post has no confusing issues in it. If there are, feel free to controvert or rebut my discourse. Everyone has and is entitled to an opinion – at least where oppression does not reside. I simply have and am entitled to my own in this public domain.

I am the first to admit I am not perfect and I do make mistakes. Let me formally apologize to you for having not perfectly conformed to the thread’s primary intention. Again, I said I would read through once more to ensure I do not violate the TOU of SGforum. You might do the same – pay special attention to the area that says: Posting any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Finally, let’s get over the “off topic” banter and get on with productive and beneficial contributions. You might find I can indeed offer constructive input. I would rather cultivate a respectful friendship than to continue on the erratic path being carved.

PEACE – P. Pluto

PS - And remember . . .in your own words . . . . “the more replies YOU give = the more excuses you make = reflects on your incompetency in the subject proper.. period”.

the_fallen SG

PEACE – P. Pluto

PS - And remember . . .in your own words . . . . “the more replies YOU give = the more excuses you make = reflects on your incompetency in the subject proper.. period”.

well, it seems that you may be good on public relation skills but not good in terms of direct sales and anything related in this industry as you have yet to show that you understand the market at the moment based on your context of your reply.

but i've seen quite a lot of users who are fakers in attempt to put on a mask as the real deal trying to spam/mislead complete innocent clueless users in here..thus my approach is to protect them at all cause..fyi..i don't mind being the bad guy having nasty impressions on people..

at the end of the day..i've done the best of my limits within my abilities to help protect anybody against inferior advice in direct sales industry with ill-intentions.

good guys are often being trampled upon and bullied..that's why the rich always hires lawyers to get back at their traitors/competitors for information stealers, run-a-way with money employees etc..

while you display a good command of english which is a plus..but it doesn't mean that you can sell well..gain some real work experience in the sales industry and you'll understand what i'm talking about..

especially when you seen a low educated salesman out-win and out-smart, outsell a uni graduated saleman..

i don't deny that fact that i personally really lack in people skills, but i am what i am..right..i do admit it and just move on with it..why try to be mr perfect when i know what i'm doing.. in fact, you're not the 1st person who said that anyway..

just another advice for you.."you cannot please every single soul and customer out there" thus you just need to admit your own weakness and move on..

while it sounds simple, but its difficult for students who have yet to step fully into the adult working society to comprehend that without actual experiencing it for themselves..

Plutoclub317 SG

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY. . . . . LET'S BREAK IT DOWN PARAPGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH:

YOU SAY - well, it seems that you may be good on public relation skills but not good in terms of direct sales and anything related in this industry as you have yet to show that you understand the market at the moment based on your context of your reply.

I REPLY - AGAIN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF MY DEIRECT SALES CAPABILITY AS YOU AND I HAVE NOT EVEN DISCUSSED IT, NOR COURSED MY HISTORY IN THIS INDUSTRY. INTERESTING YOUR COMMENTS COME FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER GIVEN A HISTORY OR SUCCESS OF YOUR OWN IN THIS INDUSTRY. IT SEEMS THAT MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF YOUR COMMENTS COME FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF AND DESIRE TO CRITICIZE COMPANIES AND PRACTICES, OR A DESIRE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT A COMPANY. WHERE DOES YOUR EXPERTISE COME FROM, the_fallen? YOU GIVE NO BASIS FOR YOUR EXPERTISE AT ALL.

YOU SAY - but i've seen quite a lot of users who are fakers in attempt to put on a mask as the real deal trying to spam/mislead complete innocent clueless users in here..thus my approach is to protect them at all cause..fyi..i don't mind being the bad guy having nasty impressions on people..

I INVITE YOU TO ASK MORE POINTED QUESTIONS THAT WILL REVEAL NOT ONLY MY COMPETENCE, BUT PERHAPS ALSO YOUR OWN. AGAIN, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY POST IN WHICH YOU GIVE BASIS FOR YOUR EXPERTISE. IF YOU HAVE ANY, YOU SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO OPENLY PROVIDE IT.

YOU SAY - at the end of the day..i've done the best of my limits within my abilities to help protect anybody against inferior advice in direct sales industry with ill-intentions.

I REPLY - THE REAILITY OF IT IS THAT ONE REPSONE TO A QUESTION DOES NOT EVEN BEGIN TO PROVIDE A FOUNDATION FOR EXPERTISE IN A GIVEN SUBJECT MATTER. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT ALL WHO ANSWER IN "YOUR" FORUM. THE OTHER REALITY IS THAT YOU WILL FIND IN DUE TIME THAT THERE ARE MANY WHO HAVE AUTHORITY AND "MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE THAN YOU" TO REPSOND TO QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM. IF YOU RELFECT ON MY ORIGINAL RESPONSE TO THIS FORUM THERE IS NO ILL-ADVICE. I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO REFUTE (POINT BY POINT, RATHER THAN A GENERAL DENIAL) ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT I PRESENTED AS BEING CONTRARY TO GOOD ADVICE (IN YOUR OPINION).

YOU SAY - good guys are often being trampled upon and bullied..that's why the rich always hires lawyers to get back at their traitors/competitors for information stealers, run-a-way with money employees etc..

I REPLY - I AGREE THAT GOOD PEOPLE SOMETIMES GET TAKEN, BUT WHO IMPLIES ANYTHING ABOUT LAWYERS OR PEOPLE WANTING TO RUN AWAY WITH INFO AND/OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS? IT IS YOUR BLIND ASSUMPTION. I CERTAINLY HAVE NEITHER DIVULGED, NOR IMPLICATED ANY OF THE ABOVE.

YOU SAY - while you display a good command of english which is a plus..but it doesn't mean that you can sell well..gain some real work experience in the sales industry and you'll understand what i'm talking about..

I REPLY - AGAIN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM, NOR THE EXTENT OR DEPTH OR MY EXPERIENCE. YOU MAKE BLIND ASSUMPTIONS AND BASE YOUR ANSWERS ON SPECULATION. GET SOME REAL FACTS, SIR!!!! GET TO KNOW ME BEFORE YOU BEGIN TO MAKE SPECULATIVE ALLEGATIONS!!!!!

YOU SAY - especially when you seen a low educated salesman out-win and out-smart, outsell a uni graduated saleman.

I REPLY - YES, I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE NOT EVEN GRADUATED FROM BASIC SCHOOLING WHO ARE MILLIONAIRES IN BUSINESS. BTW, I HAVE ALSO EXPERIENCED THE MILLIONAIRE INCOME. I ALSO HAVE POST GRADUATE DEGREES AND HAVE EXPERIENCED SUCCESS IN BUSINESS. THIS SUCCESS STILL DOES NOT GUARANTEE SUCCESS IN LIFE. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT ENTAILS? THERE IS A LOT MORE TO IT THAN SCHOOLING. POSITIVE APPLICATION OF LIFE AND BUSINESS EXPERIENCES ALLOW ONE TO GET AHEAD IN LIFE AND BUSINESS. BEING ABLE TO POSITIVELY AFFECT THE LIVES OF OTHERS IS A MEASURE OF SUCCESS.

YOU SAY - i don't deny that fact that i personally really lack in people skills, but i am what i am..right..i do admit it and just move on with it..why try to be mr perfect when i know what i'm doing.. in fact, you're not the 1st person who said that anyway..

I REPLY - I HAVE ALREADY RESPONDED IN MY PREVIOUS POST THE MIRROR IMAGE OF THIS REPSPONSE. AND I APPLAUD YOUR ADMISSION OF YOUR IMPERFECTION. I HAVE PREVIOUSLY DONE THE SAME.

YOU SAY - just another advice for you.."you cannot please every single soul and customer out there" thus you just need to admit your own weakness and move on.

I REPLY - WELL SAID . . .I AGREE FULLY!!!! YOU SHOULD ALSO OBSERVE YOUR OWN ADVICE.

YOU SAY - while it sounds simple, but its difficult for students who have yet to step fully into the adult working society to comprehend that without actual experiencing it for themselves.

I REPLY - AGAIN, I AGREE . . . . PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TRY TO GET TO KNOW ME BETTER BEFORE YOU MAKE BLIND ASSUMPTIONS. I HAVE MORE THAN 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS AND HAVE MADE SOME VERY RESPECTABLE MONEY IN THIS INDUSTRY . . . .EVEN AS A SIDE BUSINESS. I CURRENLTY HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN MY ORGANIZATION FROM WHOM I GET PAID A MONTHLY RESIDUAL INCOME AND I THINK I AM WELL-QUALIFIED TO OFFER ADVICE (AT LEAST ON THE SURFACE) IN MLM.

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE IN YOUR MLM ORGANIZATION? DO YOU EVEN HAVE ONE? IN THE END, IT IS NOT IMPORTANT IF YOU HAVE MANY PEOPLE IN A MLM UNDERNEATH YOU. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND BUSINESS AND WANT TO ALWAYS LEARN MORE. ADMIT YOUR IGNORANCE, AS DO I, AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE IN A POSITION TO GROW!!!!!! YOU MUST ALLOW YOURSELF TO GROW AND LEARN.

BASED ON SOME OF YOUR RESPONSES IN OTHER THREADS, I SEE THAT YOU RESPECT PEOPLE LIKE TIM SALES. DID YOU KNOW THAT TIM SALES FAILED IN MLM, BUT IS ONE OF THE TOP MENTORS AND TRAINERS IN THE INDUSTRY???? DID YOU KNOW THAT TRUMP HAS NEVER BEEN IN MLM BUT IS A PROPONENT OF THE INDUSTRY? HE, PERSONALLY, HAS NEVER BUILT A SUBSTANTIAL ORGANIZATION. MY POINT IS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN MLM TO OFFER SOUND ADVICE IN BUSINESS. EVERYONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED MISTAKES HAS SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SUCCESS OF OTHERS.

MY ADVICE TO YOU . . . . SETTLE DOWN A LITTLE AND BE WILLING TO ACCEPT AND RESPECT THE POSITION OF OTHERS. THERE ARE MANY VIEWS AND MANY WHO HAVE MUCH TO TEACH. YOU CAN TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, BUT ALAWYS BE OPEN TO THE INPUT OF OTHERS. EVERY ONE HAS AN OPINION, JUST LIKE YOU!!!! IF YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT ONE SAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE VOICE OF RETIRTIBUTION. IF YOU DO TAKE ISSUE, THEN BE BE RESPECTFUL AND BE SPECIFIC IN YOUR REPSONSE.

I WILL OFFER THAT YOU HAVE NOT MADE ONE SPECIFIC REBUTTAL AS TO ANY ISSUE I RAISED IN MY INITIAL POST. YOU'VE MADE ONLY GENERALIZED REBUATTAL WITHOUT ONE SPECIFIC REPSONSE. AT LEAST HAVE THE RESPECT TO RESPOND IN POINTED FASHION.

the_fallen SG

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY. . . . . LET'S BREAK IT DOWN PARAPGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH:

YOU SAY - at the end of the day..i've done the best of my limits within my abilities to help protect anybody against inferior advice in direct sales industry with ill-intentions.

YOU SAY - especially when you seen a low educated salesman out-win and out-smart, outsell a uni graduated saleman.

I REPLY - I HAVE ALREADY RESPONDED IN MY PREVIOUS POST THE MIRROR IMAGE OF THIS REPSPONSE. AND I APPLAUD YOUR ADMISSION OF YOUR IMPERFECTION. I HAVE PREVIOUSLY DONE THE SAME.

YOU SAY - just another advice for you.."you cannot please every single soul and customer out there" thus you just need to admit your own weakness and move on.

I REPLY - WELL SAID . . .I AGREE FULLY!!!! YOU SHOULD ALSO OBSERVE YOUR OWN ADVICE.

YOU SAY - while it sounds simple, but its difficult for students who have yet to step fully into the adult working society to comprehend that without actual experiencing it for themselves.

well, you can be and maybe previously a millionaire status..but ask yourself one thing..if you are really successful yourself..why would you want to lower yourself to this forum in particular direct sales?

"don't go into the mud to fight with the pigs"

capabilities is not based on discussions..if someone is the real deal..time will time..

"Donald Trump went from rich to bankrupt and back up to billionaire status.." he knows his stuff; its all actions, he speaks only when required instead of telling everybody of his success before he even made it >> since you mention you have 30yrs experience etc...that's a sign of show-off.. >> empty vessles make the most noise..reflect why you are here in this forum instead of staying at your high millionaire status like before..

"Respect cannot be commanded just because you was recruited/promoted to to that high pay role position..Respect has to be earned by daily activities & actions.."

"Knowing the rules to wealth and correctly following the rules to constantly flowing wealth is 2 different things.."

I don't need to tell the whole world how good i am..time will tell..

"actions speaks louder than words"

learn the rules of the game first, make sure you understand it before you get in the game..else you will be kicked out before you know it..

I'll just continue with answering questions posted by other users excluding you. (You're the 3rd if not the 4th person I'll be black-listing to reply back btw..)

Other users are still strongly encouraged to post any questions they want answers to.

untill you learn and stick to the basics and rules of the game, i will not be replying to you nor your offensive challenges of replies (one of the many fouls made>> example = your CAPTIAL texts)

if that's the way you want to win me in my forum, i'll give it to you..

Having said that..now You Win..

=X [Lips Seal against any provocative replies of yours]

Plutoclub317 SG

Even a pig needs grooming. And it's not about stooping to lower levels. Sometimes it's about paying it forward and being humble enough to mingle with the masses to offer some measure of contribution and share experiences.

You claim to offer sound advice, though I will again point out that not once have you given any sound foundation for providing it. Anyone can be in the crowd. I observe you are fast to cut others to the quick, yet you do not take kindly to constructive criticism. Like you, we all have some measure of contribution to offer. And you are correct, in due time the soundness of advice and depth of experience will be revealed. The rules of the game become clearer.

There are many others out there who have risen and fallen and bounced back again like Trump. Some of them may be in your own neighborhood. And, yes, action does speak volumes. It is inaction that breeds failure.

Further, it is not a matter of winning in your forum . . . it's about creating a win/win environment for ALL who participate. Had you not lashed out with such quippy words in your first reply to my thread contribution, perhaps we would have enagaged a much more productive discourse on the subject AND in friendly forum for the benefit of all. That is the ultimate goal.

kiss kiss . . . .

the_fallen SG

kiss kiss . . . .

Apparently it seems that you and I are on different frequency of knowledge..

While you may have being a Once a Millionaire, but you have already forgotten to hold true to the basics or rather the elementary rules of learning and discussion.

Correct me if i'm wrong..since the first post of yours in my forum, I mention it clearly that your post shouldn't be in here. Simple Reason = It is a question and answer thread yet you failed to understand simple english.

<<Fyi: This falls into basic english lessons - Comprehension skills taught in primary and secondary school level; while a thread is like a discussion, the discussion should focus and revolve around the subject proper and not side-track to other non-related issues. Comprehension questions and answers should only be taken within the content provided and not anything more from external sources. Whereas what you are doing is composition and telling your story trying to whoa other newbies when they are obviously not interested in.>>

Whatever you are replying in this thread replies doesn't counts and is of a great extent no related to my thread title in any way. So even if you can out-talk me in A1 grade kind of fancy english which will whoa others, I still think and treat it like another newbie post given the fact you're indeeed a newbie in sgforums who don't know how stuff works & you have clearly forgetten where your roots were from..

Following up, you still tried to force your way through in getting your message across when I give you a reminder not not once and with each increasing reply, you still didn't take notice of it..and do it your way.

Kindly be reminded that you want any discussions with me and others, kindly start your own thread (i'll be happy to continue in your own thread if it is only of quality content), you do not hi-jack my thread for your own selfish intentions to show-off your vast experiences.. and that's the problem with successful people, forgetting where there roots were from. success has clouded your vision and way of doing things already.

Sound advice, have I not being giving advices and recommendations to other users? I give different treatments to different categories of people..and the long term forums users sure knows it. [Don't believe, check out my previous thread postings and replies to verify them yourself]

I respect you for your contributions but I've given couple of reminders for you to take your leave quietly without trashing on your ego, pride whatsoever, but yet you still force me to identify your faults..when you failed to stick to the really basic stuffs of doing everyday activities. (If you don't understand your terrain, don't go into the field unarmed.. - read up more on Su Tzu Art of War)

As to why I'm harsh, it's the simplest and fastest way to help other users wake up their idea from their fantasy and face reality..but I can only salute you for not waking up even after my harsh replies..people only improve when they bleed and learn to protect themselves like what parents teach their kids to protect and learn from it on what-to-do and what-not-to-do. You on the other hand failed to undestand this basic grow as you learn simple idea.

Know your pros and cons and work to increase your pros annd try to increase your pros to greatly cover your cons..

A real advice/mentor/consultant will not let his/her students learn and have it the easy way..else they will become useless people as they grow up..being dependent on their parents instead of providing for their parents who once taught them.. (Read up more on Singapore Past History of nation building to be independent)

I rather have other users hate/dislike me but they learn something at the end of the day..My harsh critics is once in a while kind of stuffs..and it comes only when provoked..by people who may know their stuff but is in the wrong direction..(that's the reason why there are those temporary millionaires [fakers] and permanently growing in wealth millionaires to become multi-millionaires [real deal]..)

I have said whatever I can say to you and to explain my role and way of doing things..given the fact you may have good intentions but you're actually in the opposite direction not knowing actually you are wrong in the first place.. (take some time to reflect on your own..Zen lifestyle..enlightenment..) <<this goes together to any other new forum users who wants to reply in my threads as well..thanks>>

Kindly Stop your Reply In Here..so as not to waste other people's time in reading non-related contents in here. I'll be more than happy to answer you and your non-related issues elsewhere.. (As long as it's not within threads I created myself it will do it.)

Don't waste my time as well as other forum users time by posting your queries here. It is posting in a wrong place to begin with. That's another problem which you failed to acknowledge despite me reminding you in different variations. The purpose of this thread which I created is to help the general public and not for you the trouble-makers giving anything else (like more questions, problems) except for the required which is solution.

Go back to the real basics..not in business but in learning..that's what majority of the people need..while most of us no longer need to go back to school, but that doesn't mean we can't throw away what we have learn in schools back to our teachers.

If after this reply, you still don't get what I'm trying to say to your nor have the message pass across to you..than all I can say is "God Bless You"

Good Luck in your own path..

Fallen.

Kakaboo SG

Hey the fallen, I would just like to ask what are your opinions on online MLM vs offline MLM? online MLM are things like GDI, trafficwave(you can google them if you want to find out more) while offline MLM are companies like Amway, LFI , VE, Herballife and the rest.

If one wants to venture into the MLM industry, wouldn't starting an online MLM be easier rather than an offline one?

I say this because I am in an offline MLM company for close to 1 year already, but only started becoming inactive few weeks to a month ago, because I did not like the way they were doing things. Because they went mainly by 'recruiting' rather than sales, and whenever I invited my prospects down my uplines would do the presentation and they would always push a start-up package at the end which costs a bomb!! And I always feel bad at the end because I know that there is a way to start the business with 0 or very little cost, but I can't do anything about it because everyone else does almost the same thing over there. They claim that it's sort of like 'opening franchise', since if you want to start a proper traditional buisness you would also have to put down a sum of money in the form of maybe rental or stock.

But well, obviously to me, MLM may have some similarities to buisness, but eventually they're still 2 different things altogether, so I could not accept that reasoning. And I become inactive because I couldn't accept their way of thinking, though I still try to do some sales on my own (From my own start up package)

I ask the cons and bias against offline and online MLM, because I haven't totally given up on MLM yet. I just feel the core of MLM is still proper, except that people inside MLM shares the 'opportunity' much more than they share about the products, which I feel is wrong.

I do hope that my way of thinking is wrong and maybe I just have a close mind, Could you enlighten me ?

the_fallen SG

If one wants to venture into the MLM industry, wouldn't starting an online MLM be easier rather than an offline one?

I do hope that my way of thinking is wrong and maybe I just have a close mind, Could you enlighten me ?

if you really want to learn the real deal, focus on purely product sales for a start regardless of whatever company you are in.

Do it your own way, you need not necessary follow your uplines/advisor's guidelines if you and them holds different perspective and views..

Having said that, by not tapping on your upline/mentor's help, you are taking up the role of multiple roles in before, during and after sales closing/presentation process, which increases your chance of learning real business basics.

If you want the short-cut way of doing MLM online, i would advise you against that idea..as you have yet to learn the basics of business whereby it is based on sales of products, failure to close sales on your own offline means that you cannot duplicate the same process online given the fact that you may not have master the basics of sales yet.

On top of which, online marketing is on a different ball-game fyi..it requires some crucial adjustments which only season/experience industry players knows.

The best situation which you should do right now, is to focus on purely product sales and get statisfied customers coming back to you automatically without you calling them.

Instead of agent follow-up on clients, you have have the client bugging/follow-up on you for more product(s) re-purchase/updates to be considered master the basics of sales.

Once you are successful in doing this, than only can you move on to the next stage.

I hope I have answered your questions.

May your hardwork pay-off.

fallen

Plutoclub317 SG

Fallen - You have a very dizzying intellect, to say the least. You should really try to first understand the psychology and principles of people before you begin to make blind assumptions, which you are quick to offer. That is my "GET' with you more than anything else. Your BLIND assumptions without first deriving basis for your "harsh" criticism, much less your attempts at education of others. I do not believe there is one point in my original post that any "guru" in MLM would take issue with or refute. That is where I take issue with you! What if I told you that buried in very credible writings this is exactly what even Trump has recited? You seem to be a disciple, so where does your logic find reason to controvert it with blanket statements that do not even address my post in point by point rebuttal? It seems to me that unless it comes from you there is no basis for the reasoning in anyone's responsive post and therefore no credibility. Give me a break!!!! There are numerous mentors in this industry who echo my sentiments. Go do YOUR homework, then we can talk. True, this is "your" thread, but I am still waiting for some indication that you have any authority whatsoever in your advice. You have never offered any. Anyone can talk a good talk, but where is the proof of your walk? Please do tell of the incredible successes you have had in this industry. Anyone can be a good study and recite principles, but there is a BIG difference between practical application or experience and theory based on observation. You are quick to assume and assert lack of business etiquette on the part of others, but then you have NO CLUE. It is EASY to accuse and persecute in a forum that lacks substantiation. And, by the way . . .anyone who has had any measure of success will tell you of their failures along the way . . . . remember Trump? Failing forward allows one to GROW and keeps it real in pursuit of success. Stop cutting people to the quick and you will find more amenability in the forum - i have read other peple's repsonses to your sharp rhetoric - it is not becoming, nor is it favorable to you. I have asked before for "freindly" discourse, but you continue to persecute. Not a very good way to make friends or enlighten in positive ways . . .but somehow your last post makes clear that is not what you are here for. Let's not banter or jockey for position . . .that is not what I am after here. I trust it is not your position either (or is it?), as this is not an issue of being a "top dog". True colors always come out in the wash.

Plutoclub317 SG

Kakaboo:

First, MLM is a globally recognized form of business. So do not doubt that validity. Second, online and offline marketing in the MLM arena are two different beasts entirely. Although one may compliment (and often does) the other, they take on and require different approaches and strategies.

Offline MLM is more in the realm of “personable” approach, whereas online MLM is a strategy traditionally employed to the blind cyber-masses through use of online system tools. They both have their pros and cons and can often be (and are) employed in conjunction with one another. The most successful of MLM strategies promotes and teaches implementation of both.

The MLM business is dual facet: 1 – it takes the bona fide offer of a product or service; AND 2- it’s promotes recruiting others into a business model whereby efforts are designed to duplicate for success – this is the very nature of “multi-level”. Traditional success in MLM does not come without the other. While the_fallen may offer sound advice, be aware that the whole premise and concept of MLM in the first place is to promote an environment in which the concerted efforts of many support the sustenance of many through promotion and sale of products and services in demand. If it was solely an issue of retailing product, you might as well open a retail establishment and make a go of it on your own as a retailer or be in direct sales. It would seem that is a much more certain approach, don’t you think?

Certainly, in MLM you are in business for YOURSELF, but not BY YOURSELF. It is a tenant that products must be sold or no one gets paid, but the “real” wealth in MLM comes from creating an organization that duplicates successful efforts in retailing products/services, AND recruiting others into the business. J Paul Getty once said that in order to accumulate wealth one must employ the efforts of many as opposed to the one – in other words, “it is better to have the efforts of 100 people rather than to expend 100% of your own.” That is how MLM works – it is called leveraging.

While venturing off on your own without mentorship is seldom recommended, it is sometimes an option when you are dissatisfied with the tack your upline is taking. Truly, however, if it is not working, you have to assess why that is the case. But then, is it working for them? If not, then you may be keen to go off on your own. If it is working, then are you really paying attention and employing methods you are being taught? Some people are stronger at retailing, while others are better at recruiting and sharing the opportunity – some are competent at both . . . .it’s just the nature of the business. However, both facets must be present (and pursued) for achieving true success in MLM, as it is designed. No wealth in this business ever comes from pursuing only one facet of the equation . . . and it does require YOUR effort. Acquire the right attitude, learn the right skills and develop the habits required of successful business application and you will succeed if only you do not give up. READ THAT LAST SENTENCE AGAIN. Ultimately, these are leadership skills. Master these and you will be well on your way to doing well in MLM. There are numerous resources available to you.

Ultimately, online sales are totally different than offline/personal sales. Online sales typically come from a planned internet marketing presence that employs a systematic approach, while offline sales come from your own personal sales ability - you are the mouth piece – but again, there are skill sets required in both disciplines. Online and offline sales are very distinct of each other, but can also be very productive and financially powerful when pursued in tandem. In either case, the point of MLM retailing is to streamline the cost of marketing and sales in a person to consumer fashion rather than traditional establishment to consumer channels. This allows certain benefits to you as the distributor, as well as the business. Both have the same goal – sales of product – but with the caveat that the multi-level establishment is really the distributors & agents, rather than a storefront.

Every MLM business is unique and has its own philosophy in sales and recruiting – it’s traditionally called a "business culture". Finding a company with which you can indentify and work within (and believe in) is your primary goal. When you can find your “home” and learn to live within it (and when you have acquired skill sets) you will be more comfortable in what you offer to your customer/clients (whether it be products or an opportunity) and you will tend to be more successful in your efforts – whether online or offline. With a measure of comfortability comes a level of confidence that begins to feed upon the process in cyclical fashion. This allows you to breed success along the way. Caveat – don’t be afraid to fail . . .it’s part of the learning process. Trump once said if he had to start all over again he would do it with MLM because of the nature of the business in that you can enlist the efforts of many to accomplish your goals. If you offer good products/services, the rest comes with your enthusiasm and zeal for what you are doing and you will grow an organization of people who will help you along the way. . . . Good luck!!

Wishing you success . . . P. Pluto

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