Ask your MLM Questions Here

last SG · 2010-06-16T10:57:08+00:00

Based on updates from my friends, it seems that there are quite a number of new mlm companies recently.Are the questions answered in this thread sufficient f...

the_fallen SG

Fallen - You have a very dizzying intellect, to say the least. You should really try to first understand the psychology and principles of people before you begin to make blind assumptions, which you are quick to offer. That is my "GET' with you more than anything else. Your BLIND assumptions without first deriving basis for your "harsh" criticism, much less your attempts at education of others. I do not believe there is one point in my original post that any "guru" in MLM would take issue with or refute. That is where I take issue with you! What if I told you that buried in very credible writings this is exactly what even Trump has recited? You seem to be a disciple, so where does your logic find reason to controvert it with blanket statements that do not even address my post in point by point rebuttal? It seems to me that unless it comes from you there is no basis for the reasoning in anyone's responsive post and therefore no credibility. Give me a break!!!! There are numerous mentors in this industry who echo my sentiments. Go do YOUR homework, then we can talk. True, this is "your" thread, but I am still waiting for some indication that you have any authority whatsoever in your advice. You have never offered any. Anyone can talk a good talk, but where is the proof of your walk? Please do tell of the incredible successes you have had in this industry. Anyone can be a good study and recite principles, but there is a BIG difference between practical application or experience and theory based on observation. You are quick to assume and assert lack of business etiquette on the part of others, but then you have NO CLUE. It is EASY to accuse and persecute in a forum that lacks substantiation. And, by the way . . .anyone who has had any measure of success will tell you of their failures along the way . . . . remember Trump? Failing forward allows one to GROW and keeps it real in pursuit of success. Stop cutting people to the quick and you will find more amenability in the forum - i have read other peple's repsonses to your sharp rhetoric - it is not becoming, nor is it favorable to you. I have asked before for "freindly" discourse, but you continue to persecute. Not a very good way to make friends or enlighten in positive ways . . .but somehow your last post makes clear that is not what you are here for. Let's not banter or jockey for position . . .that is not what I am after here. I trust it is not your position either (or is it?), as this is not an issue of being a "top dog". True colors always come out in the wash.

Now I can confirm 1 thing, you don't not read and you do not accept the reality and facts or any rules in any game.

You will only go do what you think is right when fact you are wrong.

>> Reasoning >> It is a fact that

1) You are not any way following the rules and don't understand english despite me repeatingly ask you to start your own thread [Looks like I'm talking to a wall and not a person]

2) You based it on your past successful experience to share with others without reflecting on why you are here instead of creating a consultation services that you should be charging people for money (since you said you used to be earning millionaire income)

by coming in here, forum, where it is the newbies, and not yet successful, you keep bragging and show off your intellience and A1 grade english..when the fact is that I using layman english to be understood by the masses..

first understand than be understood - go think about what it means..

3) by coming down into the forum..it is akin to saying that your skills, and knowledge is no longer appliable in the millionaires society as you cannot generate any real money in millionaires circle already thus you want to come in here to show off, and more importantly, you keep forcing your replies, visions onto the people who don't want it be begin with..

that tells me the way of your business ethics, why you were only "ONCE A MILLIONAIRE" and not millionaire who is constantly increasing and growing your wealth.

when I said "don't get into the mud to fight with the pigs" i was expecting you to understand the intention of the phrase which equals to "don't fight for food with the beggers when you have a ready spread of food on the table being a rich successful person..something along that line.." but yet you want to make yourself look stupid to go snatch the food from the beggers not allowing them any food making them go hungry.

yet you said "even pigs need grooming" that tells me that your level of wisdom is limited..you do not groom a pig when you are the pig farm owner with multiple franchises, you just need to hire others to do the job for you..simple phrase you also don't understand..it clearly illustrates traits of a failure who insist things their way..

4) when Kakaboo clearly indicate that he/she would need my reply without asking for your reply..you still force your way through in giving a reply without being asked of..

this clearly shows one thing..your few decades of success is not based on what you created yourself but it is just plain luck that got you in there at the right time, place and connects..

when you are showing off your huge extentsive of networks and success..ask yourself this qn "how many of the recruitment were really done by you yourself"

while MLM is based on leverage, without proper sales basics and understanding, even if you are the world richest guy, you will not be be happy..

Just refer to the Barang Barang furniture store with multiple stores over Singapore..it was intially successful, but yet it still closed for good..due to high overheads and insufficient sales nor profits..

why you are here lowering yourself instead of thinking of ways to earn back your Millionaire Income clearly tells me and everybody else that your information is out-dated and thus you are no longer competitive if not you will not be here in this forum..

even if you are successful, you should start a new thread and have them going to you for your advice, and solutions..

your actions to-date of forcing yourself in..answering questions without being asked of you shows me that you are the type of guy which my ex-uplines spoke of.. the type of millionaire who hangs around 9 other beggers trying to look impressive while allowing the beggers to waste his wealth and money away..

what you should do is as a millionaire before, hang around with your 9 other millionaire friends, if not multi-millionaire friends..discuss ideas on how to make more money..and help do some charity..instead of doing actions which only ruin your own reputation..give back to the society la..

5) clearly given your profound/complex english, it shows that you are a really intelligent person..but could you kindly look at your last post??

It is freaking squeeze packed into one whole big paragraph..in the response that you replied to my post..

while you may have knowledge, and experience but you lack wisdom >>go ponder about it and ask yourself..

6) why you are successful in your previous/current mlm company is a matter of luck..

fyi: there are many reasons why people are high up in a position..some political marketing reasons as well..having a simple person without any knowledge being a millionaire as a good testimonial is also a excellent marketing & branding testimonial which can help generate tons of profits in return..

so the reason why you are on top there..probably is just to make up the numbers only..so don't come here and show-off in front of me..

don't build castles in the air..

7) This applies to other newbies and industry players too.. Kindly learn from this wonderful example of a Pluto..for he clearly has being a excellent example of what not to do... and more so as a once successful millionire made by mlm industry (if he isn't a clone/faking identity; or if he was a millionaire businessman and pretending to be a millionaire with credits to mlm (business and mlm are two different industries) >> since whatever i learn to-date..the roots most is what i picked up from ex-uplines yet he failed to understand the basics..might some-how suggest he is a fake else a out-dated)

being clouded by his past glory, he is staying in that past moment of glory without realizing that he is no longer earning that kind of income..yet expects people to respect and listen to him without reflecting on what went wrong exactly..

Lastly >> From this point onwards, I will really blacklist and ignore all your posts...since you displayed the worst actions, behaviors which a senior upline (given you claimed to be) would actually behave..it is abnormal in fact in a industry for such behaviors..

Reminder:

For all other forum users >> Kindly take Pluto's advice with a pinch of salt..if you want to listen and accept his feedback..do so at your own risk..

I will ignore all Pluto's feedbacks, since obviously I'm talking to a wall or perhaps I speaking ailen language which he don't understands..

All other users are still strongly encourage to post any related questions of MLM in here, and I'll answer those questions as long as it is related and not advanced questions (which can be discussed in person upon request).

Plutoclub317 SG

While your reply is lengthy you still do not get why I am here . . . . .

Primarily, in this thread, it is because I recognize your advice lacks sound basis. Agreed . . . Kikaboo asks for “your” advice. HOWEVER, it is NOT sound advice for MLM. I am merely rebutting your reply.

Case in point: while you advise Kakaboo to stick with only basic sales you ignore the whole premise of MLM – to promote organized effort of a group of people interested in the success of an organization (their own) – which, in MLM, requires BOTH sales AND recruiting.

Why do you not just tell him/her to open a retail establishment or go hawk on the street, where he/she will learn real skills of a salesperson rather quickly and does not have to involve the recruiting facet of MLM? Commissions on sales can be earned in practically all sales environments. Perhaps a company employing DIRECT sales might be more suited – Melaleuca, for example, promotes this type of “referral based” retailing strategy and does not emphasize so much of the recruiting element.

People learn by observation and participation – MLM provides a classroom for both retailing and recruiting, in most cases. Upline are traditionally (and should be) interested in downline success. Yes, there will be successes and failures along the way – it happens in every business (including your reference of Barang). HOWEVER, change is a constant and when people do not analyze or make adjustments in recognizing change, failure can loom on the horizon.

As for my coming into the “pig pen”, you obviously refer to the charitable position of giving back – we all started at the same level and we only grow and prosper by giving back – it is called contribution and the only way it works. You contradict your own self by not even recognizing that is why I might be here. You make assumptions that I am a broken record, though you have no clue whatsoever. I give back to the community and even donate my time to serve food at charitable events, or work with underprivileged. I give clothes and other items to the needy, while at other times I offer advice – yes, based on my own experiences.

You should really stop making blind accusation when you know nothing of what you say. These words to you are charitable advice. Besides this, various points of view always cause people to ask more questions, thereby getting to the real answer(s). Can it cause confusion . . . . perhaps, but again the true colors all come out in the wash of knowledge. Reason and clarity always prevail once the curtains have been opened.

By the way, do you know that some pigs do get groomed by those who take pride in their prized future stock – you obviously confuse the difference between a pig and a hog – PIGS GET NICELY FAT, WHILE HOGS GET SLAUGHTERED. It is better to groom and breed a pig for success than to see it raised solely for the meat house – that is the dirty hog’s domain, which invariably provides nourishment for others. Yes, even a hog can have a positive impact. The sad reality is that many do end up on death row . . . . just as in MLM. Perhaps if we encouraged more people and groomed them with SOUND advice there would be more FAT to share. I am not here to fight with beggars, but rather to offer a free meal – could it be charity?

Most would agree that “Plain, A1 grade English” is the easiest understood . . . . otherwise we would be teaching something different in school. I use no technical or difficult words, lah. And whether I squeezed my post (to you) into one paragraph or not, you still get my conversation. Layman or not, I think most people can understand what I write.

Do you assume you deal with and post your “advice” to idiots? They have the technical ability to get online and post – they must have some intelligence to understand what they read – do you not agree?

Most of what you write (especially about me, since you do not even know me) can be summed up as follows – IGNORANT AND FALSE. You continue to make unsubstantiated assumptions and would do better not to hang your arguments on one word. You also confuse riches and wealth and place too much emphasis on one over the other – again, sad. This shows your lack of competence and confidence. Further, there is nothing in my reply to Kakaboo’s post that is above a “newbies” capability or understanding and, even more so, all of it is above board and matter of fact. Practically anyone is capable but for the fact there is no effort to command the skills required of the effort to reap the rewards.

“Luck” or skill in the arena???? Perhaps one or the other might favorably rub off on someone looking for either. I do not dispute that sometimes “luck’ is an element of success, though even true capability and accomplishment is often confused or seen as luck. Nonetheless, even luck has elements of putting oneself in the right place, at the right time, for having done “something” proper to be rewarded with the “luck’s” blessing. Could you be confusing “luck” for “chance”? More often this is the case when people like you make blind assumptions and do not know the facts.

By the way, Business and MLM are not two different “industries” as you state. This is confusing to your readers and further shows your lack of even basic “business” knowledge. MLM is an industry with recognized business forms – it is business. You seem to be confused or truly just do not know. Go back to Business 101 – Business is an “Economic system in which goods and services are exchanged for one another or money, on the basis of their perceived worth. Every ‘business’ requires some form of investment and a sufficient number of customers to whom its output can be sold at profit on a consistent basis.” An example of two different industries are like oil production and food service. They are both industries which contain recognized forms of business and its entities (ie: oil production = BP and food service = McDonalds), just like MLM is an industry with recognized business entities, such as Amyway.

Further, you obviously know little about business ethics. You berate, belittle and try to tear down anyone who appears to have any knowledge or desires to make a positive contribution to the forum. Your thread has not been hijacked – it has merely drawn the observation and attention of others who have chosen to participate because of its “public forum” nature.

You should learn respect for others, as you seem to have none. Sound business and its practice are built on amenable, contributing relationships. (Wow . . .that sounds like a great thread topic.) While you are quick to challenge the credibility of others, you have NEVER provided a basis for your own. Sad that you use this sort of tactic to make yourself look good. Anyone can criticize. See how easy it is?

You opened this PUBLIC FORUM THREAD . . . . and I am simply making a contribution that opens people’s eyes as to other points of view. You say people should take my posts with a pinch of salt . . .I say they should perhaps take yours with only a grain. You obviously have much to learn about business and business etiquette.

the_fallen SG

Doing charity without the real intention is like giving un-edible & un-useable items to Salvation Army such as opened food offerings for religions, worn out and torn clothes which is considered junk.. (this is a common complaint shown over televisions during charity events and in other charity organizations as well.)

Well, rebuttal is futile and people are free to have their own opinions. To each their own views.

I will not steep myself to a low status of a beggar (begging others to take notice of him and give him some attention out of pity)

I will not get in the mud to fight a angry/provocative pig..As a human, it's silly to fight with a pig who just seeks attention from other fellow pigs..

For others who may have general questions that they need clarifications on, kindly post only related contents questions, doubts on any company (without specifying the company brand..)

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Plutoclub317 SG

nice legaleze . . .you must be a lawyer or good at copy and paste. The TOU applicable are those as posted by the authority of the publishing entity . . .that would be SGFORUMS.COM, unless of course they sub-license the right for you to publish your own within their environment . . .can’t say that I saw that anywhere . . . but then again, you say I don;t read . . . and then, again . .I admit I have not read everything in the site . . . . that would take a LONG, LONG time . . . but I do read your posts. . . . hence the reply . . . Have a nice day!

the_fallen SG

Finally some peace and quiet..

Let's get back to the subject proper..

Anybody else who may have questions, doubts or anything; feel free to ask.

I'll reply as long as it is related to the subject.

If there isn't any questions, than it's a good sign, at least my thread has being a good example to other users to learn on what to do and what not to dos..by just reading previous (earlier) thread replies.

Kaziac kasmadi SG

Greetings the_fallen,

I have a qns to ask.

Does MLM have anything to do with Illuminati?

Kaziac kasmadi SG

Greetings the_fallen,

I have a qns to ask.

Does MLM have anything to do with Illuminati?

the_fallen SG

Greetings the_fallen,

I have a qns to ask.

Does MLM have anything to do with Illuminati?

If the word is the same meaning as what is explained in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati than I suppose it's a 50/50 answer to your question.

The idea of this word/term isn't wrong..it has good intentions in it but majority of the people understand it the wrong way..nothing more than that actually.

The same thing applies to anything and everything in fact. In business, polictics, war, or basic survival instincts it is a necessity to use partially of what is explained in it.

To make money, it is purely based on ideas, movements, campaigns to allow clients/people to accept the brand, products and services. Strategies is part and parcel of that word..

But before you go off-track..that word is more towards advanced users/players in business context whereby it's more of a conspiracy thinking needed, stay close to the basics for starters.

I'm not sure if I have answered your question, so if you don't understand what I've said, kindly let me know what you understand based on my reply so I can pose a reply to aid your understanding.

Kaziac kasmadi SG

I see...

So are you saying this Illuminati, and those New World Order are actually good intentions?

the_fallen SG

I see...

So are you saying this Illuminati, and those New World Order are actually good intentions?

It depends..

it is a doulbe-eddge sword/weapon..

A weapon (sword/gun) in the hands of a police is used to protect the civilians, but if it is in the hands of terrorist, it becomes a killing tool.

The weapon itself cannot do anything. Likewise for iluminati..it depends on how you want to use this theory/word to help or to harm others.

Lawyers, doctors, spa, health centers are actually meant to help people solve their problems but if they harbour any ill intentions, they also use the same knowledge wrongly and get in trouble with law itself.

Like lawyers running away with clients' money, doctors over-prescribe medicine, didn't do proper medical checks causing patients' allergy/death; spa cheating clients money than close down, health/fittness center giving pushy sales tactics to earn commission for every package signed by the clients..

I hope the above examples can help you get a clear understanding..it is actually your agenda or intentions in your own mind which makes the difference between doing good/bad..

Hope it answers your question.

Unprokiller SG

Hello the_fallen :D,

I saw this quote: Side-track a bit: If there's anyone who appreciate what I'm offering in terms of free knowledge (think about the value that I can provide with my classified business secrets), feel free to approach me to see if we can work together in joint ventures. [ Apology for Plagiarism & nothing link to mlm ]

May I know if you're interested in forming partnership or similar

Warmest Regards,

Ken :D

the_fallen SG

Hello the_fallen :D,

May I know if you're interested in forming partnership or similar

Warmest Regards,

Ken :D

Hi Ken, perhaps you might feel that it is non-related to MLM, but to me, it is related. To answer to your question: If you want to work on something, I need to know if you have the related knowledge of MLM and what do you have in mind at the moment? Use PM [Only if you think it involves details which should not be made known to newbies/skeptics in MLM industries] to discuss if you see any need.

Unprokiller SG

Hi the_fallen,

I, the minor guy, will like to share with you mine slightest knowledge of mlm. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Multi-level marketing is a leverage point system. It is use as to recruit newcomers to be part of the company. On a neutral stand, I'll like to comment that the system manipulate recruiters to enter the mlm company so as to do sales. Some people do not like this "flaw" system due to the recruitment policy or the membership fee policy. Likewise, many others said that they lost friends to mlm companies. This is not the way it should be. Mlm companies earn their money through direct sales, ignoring internal factors such as recognition and training. These mlm companies manipulate the newcomers as well as higher rankings to do sales. In this way, there seems no difference between direct sales!

What more is that in mlm companies, you do not have a business by yourself, but have a business for yourself. Mlm companies business revenues/incomes mostly goes back to the boss and major shareholders themselves. To most people eyes, Mlm= Hard Labor Workers yet to Least Labor Bosses. [Apology for Caps]

I, the minor guy, has just a thought of Franchise (which probably never come true), do not have any plans of business. I'm now currently in Republic Polytechnic (R.P) racking my brain on what should I start out for business. [Defintely not mlm structure or competition base]

Warmest Regards,

Minor Guy

the_fallen SG

Hi the_fallen,

I, the minor guy, will like to share with you mine slightest knowledge of mlm. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Warmest Regards,

Minor Guy

Based on your thoughts & understanding of MLM as shown in the above short brief..
It seems that you may not have understand the full picture of the industry.

While you asked of forming partnership in earlier post..and understanding you're still in the thinking planning stage..you'll need to explore the subject more in depth. [Read up past threads which I've may commented if you want to get a better understanding of the industry.]

I'll not do business/partnership with people of no related knowledge. Nonetheless, thanks for your interest. To begin with, I started trying to answer other people's questions of MLM to learn it myself and to help others FOC at the moment.

Since you're from RP, are you into your final yr? Feel free to ask questions if you want in here. I'll advice you accordingly on how to maximize your learning curve using PBL style since I myself was once a RP student. I used it (PBL) to increase my MLM knowledge and expertise in this area and you can use it to learn more on any other subjects of your interest.

But do take note that if your questions go beyond MLM and related business questions, I'll stop answering those to keep the contents of the postings (questions and replies) relervant to this MLM Forum as the subject if it is within my own thread. [To keep it related for newbies to understand the industry easily without getting tricked into paying their precious $]

If it's not related start a new thread in other forums (like Chit Chat) or something else so it will the discussion can be of anything under the sun. (Just give me a hyperlink to the new thread if you decide to start one else just continue in here).

Should you continue in here, rephrase your questions of business to suit MLM and business related topics.

Btw: Don't belittle yourself as the minor guy or something..if you're here to seek/get advice, just voice out your concerns will do.

"Everybody starts off with nothing and learn as they pick up new knowledge. As long as to erase 'Quit' from our own "dictionary" which is in our brain, one day you'll be an professional in whatever industry you're in."

S F SG

Hi,

May I know if all health products offered by MLM in Singapore are regulated by which government authority ?

Are the products required by the authorities to be certified as not containing any harmful ingredients and safe to be consumed?

simpleboi SG

Hi,

May I know if all health products offered by MLM in Singapore are regulated by which government authority ?

Are the products required by the authorities to be certified as not containing any harmful ingredients and safe to be consumed?

Hi,

It depends on which company is that.. those legitimate ones will havce the products regulated by HSA (Health Sciences Authority)

Actually, it does not matter whether the products are offered through Direct Selling or in the shops.. the products will have to be certified as they are all a form of sales to the customer.

the_fallen SG

Hi,

May I know if all health products offered by MLM in Singapore are regulated by which government authority ?

Are the products required by the authorities to be certified as not containing any harmful ingredients and safe to be consumed?

It is not required by law for MLM companies' products to be regulated by govt related bodies. Correct me if I'm wrong (but do show the link to URL reference to govt site so I can learn too)

If they do show verification proof, count it as a bonus.

If you are in doubt, you can always ask the company service staff to show proof of product certification done by HSA (Local Govt). You can always call the HSA hotline to verify if the company is speaking the truth to make sure you are not buying the products claiming to be HSA tested.

If they show FDA (that's the USA Govt)..so don't be misleaded by companies which shows FDA.

the_fallen SG

It's being some time now that this thread has being kind of quiet down already..

But I do get PMs from people with general questions. (If you're new to MLM, just kindly pose your questions in this thread, and I'll make it on this thread, so that the reply is made public for all others who may have the same questions in mind as well.

If you have some specific questions you want answered of a company, just reply in this thread, WITHOUT specifying the company name, PM me the name, for I don't want to signal out any company whatsoever in the process.

However, should you have any nast experiences with MLM, kindly divert your frustrations in another thread of mine http://www.sgforums.com/forums/14/topics/359405 which I'll address to the issues in there. There are already some suggested solutions to which you may have faced in there..just read through the thread and ask share your experience with us so to learn from one another.

mrwonderful SG

is Infinity Organisation an MLM?

the_fallen SG

is Infinity Organisation an MLM?

From the search results which returned to me..

Unknown Real Registered Business Entity Name in ACRA

Both companies sharing same office address in search results in ACRA Biz File result ZERO results..

Plus bullet #7 and directly above office address are different, yet showing similarities.

This are the actual details which I managed to find

Infinity Organisation Pte Ltd
        Terrence Tey ()
        33 Jalan Afifi ETON House #06-01
        Singapore, , sg 409180
        P: +65.68460623

But even their parent/backer company holding/sharing the same address as per above found pn http://www.redwoodsadvance.com/ shows no results in ACRA.

Verdict: Most likely to be a sister company testing out the new model of MLM using Paid Sales Distributors with strong company as financial backing of Redwoods Advance Pte Ltd of big MNC clients. (I think Redwoods should originate from Malaysia as their website data states the use of Malaysia address)

In a Nut-shell: Yes. It is a newly startup MLM company using a revised salaried* approach to attracting youngers to join the company.

* - Refers to information that i presume/assume to be true as there's no way for me to verify it against sales distributors/employees of this company.

PS: Correct me if i'm wrong in any way, or inform me if there's a opening to this company for a appt etc: i'll like to find out more info myself too.

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