Ask your MLM Questions Here

last SG · 2010-06-16T10:57:08+00:00

Based on updates from my friends, it seems that there are quite a number of new mlm companies recently.Are the questions answered in this thread sufficient f...

the_fallen SG

are there anybody from the floor who have questions regarding mlm?

i'll try the best of my abilities to answer those qns if there's any.

MrAtiF SG

Hey i am new to MLM and have recently joined LFI under persuasion and guidance of my friends.. Since joining it, i have been very skeptical about it.. With your knowledge in MLM and particularly LFI, could you please let me know the basic do’s and dont’s which i can follow to have sufficient knowledge in pursuing this business..

the_fallen SG

before i go on with the comments..fill me in with what's going on in your mind on the following questions.

1. do you join direct selling company because of your friends or do you see yourself with a future in that company?

2. if you said you have guidance from your friends, than why are you skeptical of it?

3. what are the specific stuffs (practise, training, people) that you are against with?

4. are you in the business for money or for knowledge and how do you think you can tap on whatever is offered or "promised" to you from your friends?

the above questions will help me first understand about your current situation first, before i offer a suitable solution/advise based on your situation..and not the generic solutions to address general issues.

Disclaimer: i do not hold strong knowledge in that company in particular, but rather i hold strong knowledge in most if not all of the different types of direct selling companies' model, system, pros & cons etc, thus i am capable in my knowledge to advise and provide answers as a whole to anybody with questions in direct selling industry.

the_fallen SG

To-date, any other new questions, other than those already being asked and answered in the two threads that i started?

I hope my thread's replies have being helpful to date. Feel free to ask if in any doubt, but ask only relevant questions.

the_fallen SG

Hi to all,

If you have any questions, feel free to ask in here, if you need my opinion if there's anybody who wants a netural accessment.

sweetestcoma SG

Whats the difference between network marketing and MLM?

the_fallen SG

Whats the difference between network marketing and MLM?

network marketing in public's understanding represents mlm.

but my understanding of network marketing is pieced up from each individual word by itself.

meaning to say everybody can learn networking skills such as public relations, building rapport with people, than using the positive network of relationship built over time to do soft/subtle marketing of him/herself regardless of the products or services or selling themselves.

mlm is a franchise automation strategy used by companies and even businesses with minor adjustments to remove the negative stigma from it only.

MLM is only a top-down marketing approach, where the leader say, the followers/team members can only agree. Period. Like wise for CEO, Management to give instructions and buy new products to sell, distributors can only accept and make the best out of it without able to change anything.

it's a "good" place to train and practise business skills with the proper guidance, but majority if not all of the distributors are corrupted to the core already focusing only on Money and not learning the real business aspect of the company in customer servicing, follow-up, sales presentation, cold-calling, individual, group and mass training cum presentation, handling troublesome prospects etc.

there's a lot more benefits in those, but only a very tiny percentage of individuals wil be able to succeed in learning those core sales skills required to make money.

wowww SG

hi does anyone know more about infinity organisation? it seems like they're currently hiring ppl for a series of job placements. how different are they from the mlm companies that we see around?

the_fallen SG

hi does anyone know more about infinity organisation? it seems like they're currently hiring ppl for a series of job placements. how different are they from the mlm companies that we see around?

Refer to the post that I replied to a previous inquiry on the same company as of 12th Jan 2011 4:13pm.

I did a search, apparently, they company website is still providing very little if not non-related company profile description..with contents over generalized..

As for facebook photos, it shows typical young playful company with based on their casual photos taken.

As for the positions that they are hiring, i presume that they are indeed adopting dual approaches to differentiate themselves from average direct selling companies.

PS: I cannot confirm that they are a MLM company, but from the Facebook pictures, it seems that the seminar/award recognition/presentation cermonary is similar if not identical to what all other MLM companies.

They business model is a hybrid: Combination of past company in Raffles Place that shifted to Enous plus a portion of Events Management as a disguise.

The only actual positions they are hiring are Administrator Assistant (immed vacancy) & Sales Management Trainee.

The former is a Full-time salaried job, whereas the latter is a commission basis job. >> Purely based on what I think of their business model. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Management Trainee is just another gimmick position which is sales as Sales Management Trainee which is to sell products than get a commission.

Whatever they are doing, their award presentation, based on the stage board in a couple of their picture tells signs that they are just a franchise branch from a foreign company, as they are standing on stage with prizes hang around their neck.

This question was posted to this thread a few months already, and the positions are still the same, if not with more fanciful positions for hire.

If it's a traditional business, the positions would already be filled by now, since it's almost a year already.

The fact that they are still hiring, means that the percentage of them being a Network Marketing Company is over 75% at least.

Plus their online recruitment methods are not done properly with their incomplete company profile in my own personal thoughts is too generalized and tells nothing about the company.

Since all businesses requires Sales & Marketing, Advertising & Promotions, so their contents tells little to nothing about the business. If a business isn't open about what they are doing, what do you think of such a business? I'll keep the comment to myself and let you all reflect and think if you want to even consider such companies.

PS: There are lots of other companies like these..so be careful.

mrwonderful SG

thanks TS for the advice. forgot about this thread since i posted in Jan this year, got a proper job in an MNC in Feb 2011 and been working there since.

as a general rule of thumb, marketing jobs on those job websites with dubious or unheard of company names are MLMs. so beware...

joining MLMs are a general waste of time and effort, maybe worse if they force you to buy their stuff in advance to sell.

the_fallen SG

thanks TS for the advice. forgot about this thread since i posted in Jan this year, got a proper job in an MNC in Feb 2011 and been working there since.

as a general rule of thumb, marketing jobs on those job websites with dubious or unheard of company names are MLMs. so beware...

joining MLMs are a general waste of time and effort, maybe worse if they force you to buy their stuff in advance to sell.

A general guide.

Not all positions/opportunites are created equal.

It depends on your perspective and perception towards directly and converting negative into positive.

Plutoclub317 SG

One's attitude often dictates the facts, even in the face of adversity or negativity. To that I say . . . .a positive attitude can seldom be overcome by one's negative banter.

Wishing you all measureable succes in 2012.

the_fallen SG

One's attitude often dictates the facts, even in the face of adversity or negativity. To that I say . . . .a positive attitude can seldom be overcome by one's negative banter.

Wishing you all measureable succes in 2012.

Attitude is just the middle process. There's still a long way to go if you want to really attain Success..Go search and find out who you really are and what you seek in Life first.

Your Purpose in Life >> Your Life Direction >> Your Actions (Searching for whatever leads you forward [The Quest] >> Results >> Reflections + Fine-tunning of Personal Principles + Mindset >> Attitude >> Behavior >> Responsiveness >> Value + Creditability >> Action >> Consistency >> Reputation >> Brand (Who & What your represent) >> Networking of Like-Minded People >> Leverage >> Success/Failure >> Growing and Learning Together [Both Positive/Negative]

>> means "Leads To"

2012 is a tough year, but be sure to find out who each and everyone of you really are first to focus on your goal.

I hope the clarifcation helps you to move forward.

Read up more self-improvement books if anybody of you here wants to really grow mentally.

Best of Luck moving Forward 2012 & Happy New Year.

the_fallen SG

Hey guys, any new questions that anybody might like to ask and have quality replies?

I'm still around just so to provide quality replies like always..

Oh ya, if there's anybody else who wants to PM me for appt meeting, don't just PM your contact number and expect me to contact you [whoever you in future may be].

At my current level of learning on the ground business to learn things where Network Marketing companies can't provide me room for learning, thus my criteria for filtering is higher than before..so kindly ensure that i'll be attending/show up first before stopping communication in sgforums Private Message.

I hope my thread has help a couple of individuals to answer any questions that you may have which are already being answered without even asking.

If there's any other questions that's not being reflected in here..please by all means post a reply in this thread, i'm always open to learning from anybody from new questions posted.

rinne SG

Hi, I chanced upon this page while googling about infinity organization. I was actually asked to go down for an interview for their administrative exe role.. They posted their jobs ads under ascentia but when I go down, I actually saw infinity organization. So I’m actually very curious about this company.. Went to take a look at their infinity website but they wrote nothing about ascentia…. So I’m kind of curious if I should take up this position…

the_fallen SG

if you like, you may..

actually i've being there for interview before..got selected..but i realized i'm not as passionate in doing only offline sales..

all i can say after going there for work interview is that they are a outsourcing sales and marketing company helping companies to grow their sales without taking any credits,which all goes to their clients who engage them..only getting paid commission for each successful sign up..

i would say it's better than network marketing..but it's not for everybody..as it's still a sales and quota employment..it's not a network marketing company..

the good part of this in a nut-shell.

Auto-promotion based on the different sales quota that you hit

Chaijiaxun SG

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Chaijiaxun SG

Hi, i have been invited to a MLM company to be a biz partner. i do have some question wrt the legitimacy of the biz.

Please refer to

https://app.mti.gov.sg/data/pages/81/doc/MULTI-LEVEL%20MARKETING%20AND%20PYRAMID%20SELLING%20%28EXCLUDED%20SCHEMES%20AND%20ARRANGEMENTS%29%20ORDER.htm

This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(i)

story: This MLM agent told me that i needed to pay a one-off sum of money to buy their products to sell. Subsequently, if i needed to sell more products, i will just have to being the customer to the warehouse/shop to buy it. She claims that the purpose of this one-off payment is so that i prove myself, to the company, as a serious entrepreneur who is willing to work hard to succeed. She also says that this money represents a start-up capital that every biz will have to pay.

Q: is this the above practise legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?

This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(iii)

Story: the agent said that part of my mission is to recruit and train more biz partners into the company. After training a certain number of people, i will be promoted to a rank which promises passive income. She claims that this income will continue coming in regardless if i or those that i recruit, make any sales at all.

Q: Is the above legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?.

This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(vii) and 2(c)(viii)

Story: The MLM company that i was invited requires no contract whatsoever. There is also no mention of this gurantee.

Q: Do other MLM company practise this law? Is there a contract that all you (MLM agents) signed before you are considered an MLM agent?

the_fallen SG

Hi, i have been invited to a MLM company to be a biz partner. i do have some question wrt the legitimacy of the biz.

Please refer to

https://app.mti.gov.sg/data/pages/81/doc/MULTI-LEVEL%20MARKETING%20AND%20PYRAMID%20SELLING%20%28EXCLUDED%20SCHEMES%20AND%20ARRANGEMENTS%29%20ORDER.htm

This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(i)

Q: is this the above practise legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?

This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(iii)

Q: Is the above legal? Do most other MLM companies practise this as well?.

This question is wrt paragraph 2(c)(vii) and 2(c)(viii)

Story: The MLM company that i was invited requires no contract whatsoever. There is also no mention of this gurantee.

Q: Do other MLM company practise this law? Is there a contract that all you (MLM agents) signed before you are considered an MLM agent?

1. The practice of Bulk Purchase for network marketing companies is a standard practice international, unless you are exceptional lucky to meet 100% ethical independent distributors who only encourage you to buy just 1 bottle/unit of product inclusive of membership fee.

Bulk purchase serves a couple of purpose.

I - Shows individual capabilities/commitment
II - Allows both upline (the person who recruited you) and the company to make profits from your bulk purchase (sales of products)
III - You with lots of products, will be pushed/financially motivated to push for sales, in order to recoup your 'Investments', thus fast forward your learning curve.

2. Mission/Job Scope of Independent Distributors are as follows (across all network marketing companies)

I - Sell more products to end consumers (create active/recurring clients who like the products)

II - Recruit and train more downlines to sell more products

III - Train up more sales leaders to expand group sales, in return for each respective leader's advancement into the higher rank or hit quota for company incentives.

IV - Over the years of exploring companies, all compaines are only FOCUSED ON SALES TRAINING, only 0.000001% will concentrate on actual Business & Personal Development as an Entrepreneur.. | I'm the exceptional case, thus I don't earn from Network Marketing due to being too ethical.

V - Never do what they tell you to do (Don't follow blindly)..Join them only if you see/ can align the company's direction in the same direction as yours..don't try to fit into a company that force their will/goals onto you..>> This spells incomptability/Job Mis-Match

3. MLM Agent VS Independent Distributor

Read the clause clearly..no company/business in the right mind will immediately declare and allow new recruits without going through the training and proof themselves to represent the company and as such increasing their risk of unable to deliver.

That is why majority of the company sales are made in-house..where senior trainers/sales leaders can make sure correct representation/message are carried across.

All "MLM Agents" are legally classified only as Independent Distributors, thus they cannot handle Counter Sales, Admin, Management documents, which are handled by Full-Time staffs.

The term is used because they are considered
A) Full timers
B) Part timers
C) Free Lance Basis
D) Clients & Members

The word INDEPENDENT states he/she cannot represent the company in anyway BUT they can help to sell the company products in return for a commission for every single sales made, which is why all agents push for SALEs to the extent most become Black Sheeps which consist of 95%.

4. Guarantee

Network Marketing like any other businesses, doesn't promise any guarantee with the exception of financial investment products, which they still have to sign agreement to undertake and risk involve and discharge the company/bank of the risk involved.

Nobody/company will provide any guarantee.

The best guarantee you can get is to learn how to select the 0.0001% Good Leaders/Mentors/Coach to show you the ropes with practical examples and hand-holding of coaching.

Disclaimer: I didn't even read the clause of the link you provide, as I know how the industry from the inside out (excluding the management/financial/admin side - full time employees)..from the perspective of a Independent Distributor.

I hope my replies answers your questions..Feel free to ask more questions if you're still in doubt.

Claudiashaw53 SG

Network marketing is also known as multilevel marketing or MLM. After finding a proven network marketing success strategy, you are able to set yourself up for life.

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