who created God

last SG · 2012-07-11T19:59:57+00:00

What God?Hindus have their Gods.Muslims have their God.Christians have their God.Primitive people have their God.And there are many more.All claim their God...

mancha SG

Any error on my part is made by you!

You are the one saying it is erroneous, based on your fixed mindset.

Jacky Woo SG

dun bother talking any sense to him, because his beliefs are not sane to begin with, hence his replys are not sane. its an insult to your intelligence to even discuss with him on these matters, just to put it mildly.

mancha SG

Noted.

BroInChrist SG

Any error on my part is made by you!

You are the one saying it is erroneous, based on your fixed mindset.

I can show you Bible verses that show you why your views about God are wrong but I think you won't want to hear it since Jacky has poisoned your mind with hateful views of me.

White Dust SG

I certainly rejoice in the wisdom and interesting literature of the Bible. I used to learn and teach from it over the past 12 years after all. However, over the past 3 years, I have come to find certain portions of the text to be insightful whilst others horrifying.

Jacky Woo SG

yes the poems and songs are nice, even richard dawkin alluded to it, but thats all that is to it.

the belief system is collapsing like a house of cards in the next 100 years, as science reveals and explains then the dogmatic beliefs, which is obsolete and irrelevant in this day and age.

Aneslayer SG

You failed to get the meaning about not having enough faith to be an atheist.

An atheist is one who says there is no God. Newborns do not say that. It is only recently that atheists redefine atheism as lack of belief so they can evade the burden of proof that comes with declaring that there is no God. It is an intellectually dishonest cop out. You like dictionaries ya? See http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.sg/2011/07/atheism-is-lack-of-belief.html?m=1

"You failed to get the meaning about not having enough faith to be an atheist."

Please do elaborate.

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No knowledge --> no faith --> no believe, Also, knowledge --> faith --> believe

" It is only recently that atheists redefine atheism as lack of belief so they can evade the burden of proof that comes with declaring that there is no God. It is an intellectually dishonest cop out. You like dictionaries ya? See http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.sg/2011/07/atheism-is-lack-of-belief.html?m=1"

You were thinking that a link from a blog would be convincing... see below
http://atheism.about.com/od/Atheism-FAQ-Questions/f/Dictionary-Definition-Atheism.htm

You do seemed to choose what you wanna believe... and lacked the initiative to seek beyond own's knowledge...

From the topic, the focus is on believe of God... not the asserted non believing... why the divertion?

White Dust SG

yes the poems and songs are nice, even richard dawkin alluded to it, but thats all that is to it.

the belief system is collapsing like a house of cards in the next 100 years, as science reveals and explains then the dogmatic beliefs, which is obsolete and irrelevant in this day and age.

That is true. In fact, I think there are actually good reasons to think that God does not exist. The plethora of evils in the world is a good case against the concept of an omnibenevolent/onmipotent God. Even if it doesn't amount to a complete disproof, it is strong evidence against the existence of such a deity.

Aneslayer SG

That's where the original sin and free will comes in... and I'm not for free will....

White Dust SG

That's where the original sin and free will comes in... and I'm not for free will....

That's cool! So what is your position on this matter?

mancha SG

When there is evil there is good.

There maybe God, but there is definitely no God like a grand old man with a white beard seeing everything and rewarding every good deed carrying a stout wooden walking stick.. There maybe Devil, but definitely no Devil like a red skinned being with two horn and an arrowhead tail carrying a trident.

For want of a better word, God and all its variants is used for good, and Satan or Devil and all the bad spirits for evil.

Both God and Satan should they exist, would be equal. God can create religion and Satan can also create religion in order to win the eternal battle of good and evil. We humans are the pawns.

God would represent life, growth, flourshing, energy, happiness, fairness, compassion, strength, freedom, pleasantness, love etc and Satan represent constriction, degradation, sadness, stiffling, biasness, suppression, revenge, enslavement, hate, etc.

Different ethnic groups have different ideas of God and Satan. No one is wrong or correct. It is just their idea of the champions of good and evil. And they would want their community and others to adopt their belief for their own betterment and safety.

This discourse would go endlessly, and to get to the point I want to make in this topic about God is that God would be omnipotent and not petty, so it matters not to Him what "faith you belong to". Just chose to live the good life. It matters to Satan, for He represents evil and wants your unwavering allegiance to stifle humanity.

God "whatever you conceive Him to be" wants humanity to flourish, to progress, to advance, to be happy. It takes time to build. The reverse, Satan wants the opposite, and has the advantage because to destroy is easy. Thats why evil is rife while good is plodding along.

Nobody knows the truth about heaven, hell, reincarntion and rebirth, or curtains where death means zap! nothing. This is not the time to worry about it.

Human are different from other creatures, because of the ability to think more deeply.

And to decide what is better. Advance in harmony or regress in misery.

Think. Don't be afraid to be wrong.

Jacky Woo SG

Sam Harris - Death and the Present Moment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTxTCz4Ums

Sam Harris make it his mission to debunk the fallacy of a god and bible.

BroInChrist SG

Interesting. In what capacity and setting were you teaching the Bible for 12 years? Did you give up Christianity? Why?

BroInChrist SG

Sam Harris - Death and the Present Moment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTxTCz4Ums

Sam Harris make it his mission to debunk the fallacy of a god and bible.

Wow, his mission in life is to promote atheism by bashing theism? And Christians are castigated for promoting theism by refuting atheism? Double standards!

Anyway Sam Harris has recently debated William Lane Craig and you can watch it online. I give the debate to Craig. In my view the new atheists lack the philosophical depths to challenge theism while atheism itself lacks a philosophical justification.

BroInChrist SG

yes the poems and songs are nice, even richard dawkin alluded to it, but thats all that is to it.

the belief system is collapsing like a house of cards in the next 100 years, as science reveals and explains then the dogmatic beliefs, which is obsolete and irrelevant in this day and age.

Collapsing in the next 100 years? Why not the next decade or within your lifetime? I know, you would be too dead to be embarassed by then. You are too optimistic. Anyway, the death knell for the Bible and Christianity has been sounded for hundres of years but those who made the most noise have all perished but still the Bible remains and Christianity remains.

lce SG

wat the...?

go take yr med

Aneslayer SG

That's cool! So what is your position on this matter?

As for original sin, I'm opposed to the idea that God made the world to suffer because of the 1st man's 1st mistake.
Its is inevitable that the fruit would be taken, perhaps Satan just wanna hasten the process. I mean, its there in the garden of Eden, well within reach of the duo. Why else its there? Its meant to give the eater the knowledge of good and evil. This could well be the answer to the missing link of human's evolution from apes.
The 1st thing the original duo realized after taking the fruit is that they were naked when they were for as long as they remember. It wasn't wrong before but now it became wrong after having the idea of good and evil.... so the sin spreads from there.
All was well and things were meant to be, became either good or bad with the judgement of self and others. There is no "good" without the "evil" and vice versa.

As for free will, its just an easily believable idea that one has the choice to be good or bad.
Personally, I make choices based of what I know(or not know) and experienced at that moment. My choice could change if what I know(or not know) or experienced was different. Even with seemingly random events, the causes and effects can be determined. With enough foresight, the course of actions could be determined.
Also, free will would be meaningless if someone else has the final say if one is eligible for the next stage.
However, the above does not discount the responsibilty of consequences. It just mean one has to be more informed, emphathetic, rational, controlled and sure before acting. Once acted, the consequences are inevitable.

As for the topic "who created God?", it boils down to the definition/s of God and the belief of the questionee. Else, it just a pretentious effort to take a shot at the religulous.

Aneslayer SG

That's cool! So what is your position on this matter?

As for the topic "who created God?", it boils down to the definition/s of God and the belief of the questionee. Else, it just a pretentious effort to take a shot at the religulous.

... Pardon the above double posting.... I edit and cleared everything and saved but somehow that did not work....

BroInChrist SG

But I think the case has not been argued that the existence of evil means that God does not exist.

Jacky Woo SG

lots of westerners in the west have left christianity even though they are brought up. even scholars have left christianity because they found the bible to be too incoherent and illogic, not to mention arrogance and the existence of god is yet to be established.

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